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11-20-2012, 12:41 PM
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No Lifer
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OMG! politicians elected into positions of power want more power!
And even Ron Paul isn't going to save us from that axiom. He would lap it up as much as anyone.
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PAB: My dad blew a tranny. I've been asked to see if I can get one replaced free.
brianmanahan: zinfamous is such a fool
he's known as AT:OT's tool
mentally he's such a klutz
his head is made of 50 butts
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11-20-2012, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MeowKat
This is total bullchit. You can be arrested by the FBI at any time, for any reason or no reason at all.
This is yet another shoe to drop and erosion of 4th Amendment protection.
When Obama leaves office, the Socialists will be able to enter your home with no warrant or reason, seize everyone and their possessions without cause and look for reasons to prosecute... Kind of like they are going to do with your Facebook, Youtube, Gmail, Skype, Live Drive, Dropbox, accounts....without notice or consent....just go reading your private messages and look for a reason to prosecute.
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Umm, you do realize that the Republicans (both house and admin) got this party really rocking with the Patriot act, right? Or do you not mind so much if all of the above is done by "non-socialists"?
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11-20-2012, 12:43 PM
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No Lifer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MeowKat
We must stand against this intrusion into our online lives.
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...except for when we need to flag and attempt to stifle private individuals' free expression due to our own sanctimonious moral crusading.
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PAB: My dad blew a tranny. I've been asked to see if I can get one replaced free.
brianmanahan: zinfamous is such a fool
he's known as AT:OT's tool
mentally he's such a klutz
his head is made of 50 butts
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11-20-2012, 12:45 PM
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Banned
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Incorruptible
And this is why we need Ron Paul and small government
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LOL, we had small government, and this is what it led to. This is what it always leads to.
The correct answer is no government at all.
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11-20-2012, 12:51 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: aka Paul
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zinfamous
...except for when we need to flag and attempt to stifle private individuals' free expression due to our own sanctimonious moral crusading.
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Exactly. 
1) What you make public is public and subject to judgement....by me. 
2) What you make private should be kept private. That should also include the knowledge and piece of mind knowing that your private communications are your OWN until you choose to make your thoughts, videos, etc, PUBLIC. See item 1.
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11-20-2012, 12:56 PM
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No Lifer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MeowKat
Exactly.
1) What you make public is public and subject to judgement....by me.
2) What you make private should be kept private. That should also include the knowledge and piece of mind knowing that your private communications are your OWN until you choose to make your thoughts, videos, etc, PUBLIC. See item 1. |
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We must stand against the intrusion into our online lives
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Our online lives are very, very public. Learn to accept that, and move on. What you mention up there, has nothing to do with your "online life." Leave your faux morality at the doorstep and stop attempting to intrude on others' 1st amendment rights with your preposterous meddling.
You want to keep your email private? fine, but that has nothing to do with anyone's "online life" and is a separate discussion.
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PAB: My dad blew a tranny. I've been asked to see if I can get one replaced free.
brianmanahan: zinfamous is such a fool
he's known as AT:OT's tool
mentally he's such a klutz
his head is made of 50 butts
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11-20-2012, 12:59 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Oct 1999
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Originally Posted by michal1980
a crazy dem is writing this bill. Who should I blame for it then?
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Blame us if it passes which I don't think will ever happen and as someone earlier mentioned, I think it will be a replay of the SOPA clusterf*ck.
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11-20-2012, 01:14 PM
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Lifer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zinfamous
You:
Our online lives are very, very public. Learn to accept that, and move on. What you mention up there, has nothing to do with your "online life." Leave your faux morality at the doorstep and stop attempting to intrude on others' 1st amendment rights with your preposterous meddling.
You want to keep your email private? fine, but that has nothing to do with anyone's "online life" and is a separate discussion.
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You are barking up the wrong tree, as usual, making hay because I flag videos of people who turn their backside to a camera, pull down their pants, shove AAA batteries up their naked rear ends and then let them slide back out. If this moron had kept the video private, then it would still be on Youtube.
If I had the power to spy into peoples private videos and flag them I would not because keeping the video private IS following the TOS.
Know the difference. I help to keep the public side of Youtube safe and wholesome for everyone. 
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11-20-2012, 01:16 PM
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here's a dem doing the opposite, writing a bill to force a search warrant for email and cell tracking.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...cell-tracking/
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11-20-2012, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MeowKat
Curse words? I dont see any. 
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Keep that cavalier attitude and I fear my prayer will not be enough to save you from the ashes. I must step up my efforts to save you.
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11-20-2012, 02:03 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2000
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Originally Posted by Bowfinger
Yep, one of the more troubling ways the two parties are more alike than different. Neither party has shown much respect for the 4th Amendment lately, consistently dismantling our system of checks and balances that keep the United States from becoming another Soviet-style police state. I'm all in favor of law enforcement being able to monitor electronic communications and data, but only after documenting probable cause and getting court approval. Even though this can be inconvenient for the 99% of good cops, it's necessary to prevent abuse by the bad apples. Anything less is un-American.
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excellent post.
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my post are being monitored by a STALKER!
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11-20-2012, 02:08 PM
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No Lifer
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Originally Posted by MeowKat
Curse words? I dont see any.
We must stand against this intrusion into our online lives. |
sad that you think God is so stupid. I'm sure he understands.
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11-20-2012, 02:18 PM
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Keep believing it's the "other side" that wants to take your freedoms away. That's exactly what "your side" wants you to believe so you'll keep voting for them.
Lemmings.
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11-20-2012, 03:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thraashman
More accurate would be that he's trying to equate the entirety of the left with the actions of a single individual. By his logic I can claim that the entirety of the right leaks classified information that puts lives at risk because of the actions of Darrell Issa (who has committed 3 classified leaks in the last year).
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The left has labeled the entire right as a bunch of racists women haters. I don't here you complaining about that.
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11-20-2012, 03:23 PM
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hah, like either side doesn't want to read emails. This is not a party issue.
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11-20-2012, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MeowKat
Know the difference. I help to keep the public side of Youtube safe and wholesome for everyone. |
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*whew* Thanks for the laughs puddycat.
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11-20-2012, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by michal1980
The left has labeled the entire right as a bunch of racists women haters. I don't here you complaining about that.
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Well I'm not sure how you expect to "this current location" me. I don't even know what that means. I think the clear racism behind the birther movement and the volume of anti-women comments were behind that view. It's not like one or even only a dozen Republican politicians or talking heads showed their racism and misogyny. And no, not all Republicans are racist or woman haters. There's just a large group within the GOP that are one or both.
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11-20-2012, 03:37 PM
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Seems like this will simply spur people to create apps & programs to encrypt emails. Decrypting homebrewed encryption (by people who mathematically know what they're doing) would be incredibly difficult.) Sure, maybe if enormous computing resources were used for one individual's email, you could decrypt it.
But, encryption would prevent massive fishing expeditions - E.g., searching every single email ever sent through gmail for certain words & flagging those emails.
End result: when they DO have someone they can get a warrant to watch emails for, they'll be unable to do so. Cleverly done, even if such a message is viewed, or intercepted in transit, to decrypt it would require access to both the sender's and the receiver's computer.
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11-20-2012, 04:18 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowfinger
Yep, one of the more troubling ways the two parties are more alike than different. Neither party has shown much respect for the 4th Amendment lately, consistently dismantling our system of checks and balances that keep the United States from becoming another Soviet-style police state. I'm all in favor of law enforcement being able to monitor electronic communications and data, but only after documenting probable cause and getting court approval. Even though this can be inconvenient for the 99% of good cops, it's necessary to prevent abuse by the bad apples. Anything less is un-American.
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One cannot grow government without also empowering government. The more powerful and intrusive the federal government becomes, the more power we cede to it, the more power it takes. That is an immutable rule of life; you simply cannot have a Soviet-style redistribution system that does not have Soviet-style powers.
In all fairness, Republican lawmakers want to read your email too. They just can't figure out how to log on after a hard day at the airport restroom.
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"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know,
72 degrees at all times and -- whether we're living in the desert or we're living in the
tundra, and then just expect that every other country is going to say, okay, you know you
guys go ahead and keep on using 25% of the world's energy - Barack Hussein Obama
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11-20-2012, 04:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowfinger
Yep, one of the more troubling ways the two parties are more alike than different. Neither party has shown much respect for the 4th Amendment lately, consistently dismantling our system of checks and balances that keep the United States from becoming another Soviet-style police state. I'm all in favor of law enforcement being able to monitor electronic communications and data, but only after documenting probable cause and getting court approval. Even though this can be inconvenient for the 99% of good cops, it's necessary to prevent abuse by the bad apples. Anything less is un-American.
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The attack on the 4th ammendment has been relentless by both sides for near on 30 years.
Craven for power.
"I saw you, you saw me under the spreading Chestnut tree".
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I'm a liberal because I'm a realist.
So, uhh, vote Republican, give 'em another tax break- it's like feeding the bears...
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11-20-2012, 04:25 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zinfamous
You:
Our online lives are very, very public. Learn to accept that, and move on. What you mention up there, has nothing to do with your "online life." Leave your faux morality at the doorstep and stop attempting to intrude on others' 1st amendment rights with your preposterous meddling.
You want to keep your email private? fine, but that has nothing to do with anyone's "online life" and is a separate discussion.
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This is good advice. If we assume that someone is always reading our email and listening to our phone conversations, we hopefully won't say anything stupid or incriminating. The only party that might actually not reach for more power, the Libertarians, haven't a chance in Hell of achieving anything more than fleeting local or state power. And one suspects that, like the Cistercians, Franciscans, and Dominicans, should they ever achieve major success they would soon morph into the thing they nominally oppose.
It's pointless to crusade for the privacy rights of people who'd rather have a handout. Just accept that electronic communications are not private and move on.
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"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know,
72 degrees at all times and -- whether we're living in the desert or we're living in the
tundra, and then just expect that every other country is going to say, okay, you know you
guys go ahead and keep on using 25% of the world's energy - Barack Hussein Obama
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11-20-2012, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by airdata
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People like you really need to seek help. It's simply not a good indication of mental health to have such a hate and fixation on a group of people.
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After reading through just a few threads on this forum I find that remark highly ironic.
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11-20-2012, 05:17 PM
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This seems far more expansive/intrusive than the Patriot Act. Far more.
Fern
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11-20-2012, 06:30 PM
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Lifer
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Originally Posted by Fern
After reading through just a few threads on this forum I find that remark highly ironic.
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Indeed.
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Originally Posted by Fern
This seems far more expansive/intrusive than the Patriot Act. Far more.
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Yes, but you can't really argue with Bowfinger's point that this is another way in which the two parties are more alike than different.
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"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know,
72 degrees at all times and -- whether we're living in the desert or we're living in the
tundra, and then just expect that every other country is going to say, okay, you know you
guys go ahead and keep on using 25% of the world's energy - Barack Hussein Obama
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11-20-2012, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by airdata
Yeah mannnnnn..
It's those crazy dems.
People like you really need to seek help. It's simply not a good indication of mental health to have such a hate and fixation on a group of people. It's clearly blinded you from realizing that both parties support such things.
What's more retarded is the fact that you bring this up and I would just hazard to guess that when all the patriot act debates were raging, you were one of the bush ball huggers saying things like ' well, if you've got nothing to hide...'
Open your fucking eyes, please. For the sake of everybody on the board.
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No the point is that the Dems are absolute hypocrits. If a Rebublican does it then it's the end of the world as we know it. If a Demoncrat does it then it's fine.
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