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Old 11-19-2012, 12:22 PM   #1101
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The tests to me seem to be very subjective, but the data is presented as if it's objective.
Not really. It's just presented as a one-off most of the time. I think they realize most of their viewers aren't that stupid.

If anything, it's to satiate the morbid curiosity... Everyone wants to watch it blend, but nobody wants to use their own phone.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:44 PM   #1102
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I like drop test because it is neat to the what different ways phones will break. I don't see any conclusion about the overall durability of these phones being presented, just the results of a few drops. With a single phone to smash I can't think of a way to get a more interesting result than just dropping with all of the variables that involves and seeing how it breaks. If someone really wanted it would be possible to get a weak statistical result by looking at drops performed in many different videos but I haven't seen that done.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:53 PM   #1103
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I agree with vshah. The tests to me seem to be very subjective, but the data is presented as if it's objective.

If the drop tests were performed by a machine, and then enough phones of the same model were dropped to get a significant statistical sampling, then we might be talking. But as it is it just seems like a way to to generate a lot of hits for a webpage or a YouTube video.

And, since I missed Eug's post... truthfully, I do ignore them. I didn't click that link and I'll pay no attention to the results. But I will add my minor rant against trusting them because I strongly disagree with the scientific methodology used and then the way the results are presented as a scientifically accurate.
I like your thinking. I do agree something like this should be done with multiple units. Just because that unit didn't crack by dropping from waist level, how do you know it won't crack after a 2nd drop? And how do you know that would be from fatigue or if that simulates a drop with an impact from a different level? I feel like you should do 10 drops with 10 units and then find how many crack. If the single drop doesn't do it, do 10 more for EACH unit. Then what? Crack rate? Repeat at different heights. I don't think anyone can say the iPhone 5 or SGS3 is better unless you run through a rigorous test. There are obvious cases where the iPhone 4S clearly does crack more easily and what not, but other than that, I find it hard to draw conclusions without statistical evidence.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:43 PM   #1104
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My Nexus 10 delivered today. Can't wait to go home!
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:02 PM   #1105
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Still pending here -- all I've gotten is the order receipt. Called support and "everything looks good on that end". I can tell they're reading from a cheat sheet. Referred to a "specialist" now. Yay.

Essentially they have no clue what happened to my order and cannot tell me when I will get it. Epic operations/distribution fail.

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Old 11-19-2012, 03:04 PM   #1106
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I released authorization. You may now go to my house and steal the package (Nexus 10). However, I think delivery for UPS is around 6-7, so that's typically when I get off work anyway...
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:13 PM   #1107
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Have any of you guys figured out how to NFC beam with the Nexus 4? I tried to NFC beam with a Motorola Razr max with no luck.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:22 PM   #1108
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Have any of you guys figured out how to NFC beam with the Nexus 4? I tried to NFC beam with a Motorola Razr max with no luck.
Razr Maxx HD or the first gen Maxx? Only the newer one supports NFC.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:43 PM   #1109
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Razr Maxx HD or the first gen Maxx? Only the newer one supports NFC.
Maxx HD. It's weird because we would bump phones and I'd get the screen on my Nexus 4 to "Touch to beam" yet nothing happens after I keep touching
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:07 PM   #1110
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what are you trying to send?
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:11 PM   #1111
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nexus 4 supposedly has an lte chip:

http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-4-get...ence-17257484/
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:29 PM   #1112
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Best iPhone 5 vs. Nexus 4 comparison so far:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E406xXr4Mok
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:31 PM   #1113
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nexus 4 supposedly has an lte chip:

http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-4-get...ence-17257484/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6440/g...xus-4-review/8

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Old 11-19-2012, 06:48 PM   #1114
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Has that Chris dude always been so.. nerdy?
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:50 PM   #1115
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Best iPhone 5 vs. Nexus 4 comparison so far:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E406xXr4Mok
that dude is really irritating, no wonder his wives keep leaving him.

its pathetic that nexus with the fastest quad core underperforms a dual core apple chip
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:56 PM   #1116
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Best iPhone 5 vs. Nexus 4 comparison so far:

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nexus 4 wins -
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:40 PM   #1117
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nexus 4 supposedly has an lte chip:

http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-4-get...ence-17257484/
LTE chip is not the same as an LTE radio. It's like having a USB 3.0 hard drive but using a USB 2.0 cable.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:13 PM   #1118
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tl;dr : got Nexus 4, learned iPhone 5 SIM doesn't fit in Nexus 4 and modded a SIM, learned that two-step verification for gmail is a problem when your phone isn't set up yet. Learned that, as people said, the back of a Nexus 4 is a fingerprint magnet. So far, I like the Nexus 4 though.

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I received my Nexus 4, unboxed it, started to set it up and it wanted a SIM so I took my SIM out of my iPhone 5 and immediately discovered a problem. So I knew that an iPhone 5 used a nanoSIM and I knew the Nexus 4 uses a microSIM but I hadn't actually realized that I would actually not be able to put my iPhone 5 nanoSIM into my Nexus 4 until I looked at the problem. I ended up dicing up an old full SIM into a microSIM and then carefully cut a nanoSIM sized hole in said newly made microSIM and put it all together and then the nanoSIM shorted to the metal tray on the Nexus 4. So then I crafted a bit of tape for the edge and everything was alive...

Right up until I went to set up and it wanted me to log in to my two-step verification enabled gmail account. So then it tried to text me my verification code, but because the phone wasn't set up, I couldn't receive it. (really google? you couldn't just show it across the top?) So then I had my verification code in a phone call and discovered my phone wasn't set up and thus couldn't receive calls. So then I added my home phone to my Google voice verification system and had it call me.

And I'm in. I put the bumper on - and I have to say that it's a classy bumper. Two colors, the fake metal bezel looks good. Not worth $20, but better than the cheap ones that I usually get.

Then my phone proceeded to update to Jelly Bean - to which I frowned because I thought it shipped with Jelly Bean. But it did that update and now I have my phone all working and I like it. As anyone who knows me well knows, I've usually been more of an iPhone guy than an Android guy but I really like Jelly Bean so far.

Sound quality is good, screen is nice, Jelly Bean is great, speed and responsiveness are excellent. The back really is a fingerprint magnet. Reviewers said it, I noted it, but like the SIM thing it's one thing to know it and it's another to go "wow, the back looks like my daughter smeared a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on it". But I'm big on screen protectors (as well as bumpers) and so I'll fix that problem myself.

So far though, I really like the phone. But I'm just getting started.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:30 PM   #1119
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Google's new tablet/phone setup procedure is stupid. You can't bypass certain screens AFAIK, which means you can be stuck in limbo during the setup. Sometimes it almost seems like they only have 25 beta testers.

BTW, pm, when you said it updated, are you sure it didn't update from 4.1 to 4.2?

P.S. At this rate, I probably won't be able to set up one of these until 2013.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:39 PM   #1120
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tl;dr : got Nexus 4, learned iPhone 5 SIM doesn't fit in Nexus 4 and modded a SIM, learned that two-step verification for gmail is a problem when your phone isn't set up yet. Learned that, as people said, the back of a Nexus 4 is a fingerprint magnet. So far, I like the Nexus 4 though.
Your phone updated to Jelly Bean? I don't buy it. It's supposed to ship with JB 4.2. Maybe you had 4.1 and it updated to 4.2. I really doubt it had ICS on there.

2-Step verification should have worked except it's slightly tricky. Your phone needs to be able to receive texts. Saying it doesn't work without specifying at what point you tried to setup your phone (did you even have a SIM in there?) is confusing.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:52 PM   #1121
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I would root and bootloader unlock before getting too comfortable. Unlocking the bootloader completely wipes your data. It's best to get that out of the way early on before loading up your phone with bunch of data. That is if you plan on rooting and flashing updates on your own in the future.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:56 PM   #1122
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I would root and bootloader unlock before getting too comfortable. Unlocking the bootloader completely wipes your data. It's best to get that out of the way early on before loading up your phone with bunch of data. That is if you plan on rooting and flashing updates on your own in the future.
Will OS updates from Google continue work automatically if I unlock the bootloader?
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Will OS updates from Google continue work automatically if I unlock the bootloader?
Yes. As long as you're stock, root and unlocked bootloader won't effect automatic OS updates. It will help you get updates faster since you can download the official updates directly from Google and flash it yourself instead of waiting for the OTA.
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Your phone updated to Jelly Bean? I don't buy it. It's supposed to ship with JB 4.2. Maybe you had 4.1 and it updated to 4.2. I really doubt it had ICS on there.

2-Step verification should have worked except it's slightly tricky. Your phone needs to be able to receive texts. Saying it doesn't work without specifying at what point you tried to setup your phone (did you even have a SIM in there?) is confusing.
You are right. 4.1 to 4.2. I stand corrected. I forgot that 4.1 was also called Jelly Bean.

2-step definitely does not work. This I can assure you. I had my SIM in, and it had reception but you can't get calls or texts on the phone until you complete web-based sign in, and you can't do web-based sign-in until you complete 2-step - if you have 2 step enabled.
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stop the presses!

I called and talked to a friendly young lady at google early this afternoon about my order. first time I called about the status as I had no info other than the I placed the order on the 13th and a hold was on my card. she advised someone would be in contact with me within 24-48 hrs in regards to the status of my order.

.....and I just got tracking!!. it isn't in the ups system yet, but it states it shipped!
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