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Old 11-19-2012, 09:33 AM   #176
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Thank you.

These drivers seem to be newer:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Deta...&DwnldID=21852

but:
1. are missing "for Intel Desktop Boards" from title.
2. Do not specifically say they have RAID0 Trim support.

Anyone knows if they also have it?
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:36 AM   #177
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Thank you.

These drivers seem to be newer:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Deta...&DwnldID=21852

but:
1. are missing "for Intel Desktop Boards" from title.
2. Do not specifically say they have RAID0 Trim support.

Anyone knows if they also have it?
IIRC, all of the 11.xx series have TRIM support when paired with an 11.xx OROM version AND a Z77 board (no support for other chipsets just yet).
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no support for other chipsets just yet
I bet this is intentional. Why give out free features to older boards
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:17 PM   #179
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I bet this is intentional. Why give out free features to older boards
Dufus has a thread on the board in which he has "modified" a few bytes of the OROM to allow a P67 board to work. Just waiting for him/her to spill the beans!
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:27 PM   #180
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Dufus has a thread on the board in which he has "modified" a few bytes of the OROM to allow a P67 board to work. Just waiting for him/her to spill the beans!
Well then, that is proof of the matter than. it is driver based DRM just like with the nvidia drivers. I bet it would be possible to make cracked drivers that would work without need to modify the orom at all
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:46 PM   #181
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Hmm wonder how long it will take to get the update. Been eying one at ncix as it come with ac3 free as well.

seen anand's waiting on some last confirmation here
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:56 PM   #182
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So 830 vs 840 ? .. what are you guys going to buy?
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:14 PM   #183
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Someone on hardforum just posted a good idea that hopefully Anand can use to find the firmware version of the dead 840 Pro:

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=...4&postcount=89

Basically, you run these commands:

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set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
cd %SystemRoot%\System32
start devmgmt.msc
and then use the mouse to choose: View > Show Hidden Devices

and you will have the usual device manager window except it will show devices that are no longer attached to your system.

Expand "disk drives", double-click "Samsung SSD 840 PRO Series ATA Device" to open the Properties window, select the Details tab and choose "Hardware Ids" from the pop-up-list. The firmware should then be displayed. Mine shows DXM03B0Q.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:21 PM   #184
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So 830 vs 840 ? .. what are you guys going to buy?
I have two 840 Pro SSDs, a 128GB and a 256GB, purchased from newegg. They both have firmware DXM03B0Q. I have been hammering them for more than a week now and they are both fine.

I have not seen any new reports of 840 Pro SSDs failing, beyond anandtech's and the poster on hardforum.com. The newegg reviews of the 840 Pro SSDs do not mention any units failing.

I think the evidence is accumulating in support of Samsung's claim that the 840 Pro SSDs with the shipping firmware (DXM03B0Q) are not at risk for the same failure that anandtech.com saw.

I still would not recommend for anyone to buy the 840 Pro to use for anything important until some more time has passed and/or we get more definitive news from Samsung. But unless someone reports an 840 Pro failure with firmware DXM03B0Q, it is looking like the shipping 840 Pro SSDs are doing okay.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:00 PM   #185
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The poster from hardforum just posted that he was able to find the firmware version of his 840 Pro SSDs in the kernel log of their testing machine, and they were DXM02B0Q.

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=...9&postcount=91

Now if only Anand can look up the firmware from the "Show Hidden Devices" trick of the Windows device manager, we may be able to confirm that all the reported failures had the -2B0Q firmware.
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Old 11-20-2012, 01:35 AM   #186
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Is it just the 840 Pro shipping with an updated firmware, or does the vanilla 840 get it to?
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:47 AM   #187
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This thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2284346
is showing firmware DXT06B0Q

Edit: a quick google search shows that this firmware is for the non-pro version.

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Old 11-20-2012, 08:20 AM   #188
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This thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2284346
is showing firmware DXT06B0Q

Edit: a quick google search shows that this firmware is for the non-pro version.
That's correct. My vanilla 840 had firmware DXT05B0Q.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:32 AM   #189
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So 830 vs 840 ? .. what are you guys going to buy?
I just steered a friend to the Crucial M4 actually, precisely because of the dying 840 Pros.

However, I also told him to note the Crucial M4 firmware, since some of those have serious issues too.

Geebus, it almost seems like SSDs are trying to compete with floppy drives and zip drives for unreliability.
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has it been confirmed it's the firmware yet? I'm interested in these and will hold off for now.
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Got one from amazon recently, DXM03B0Q firmware.
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Two weeks 24/7. Still no issue.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:54 PM   #193
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Both of our 840 Pros had the firmware DXM02B0Q in them, just got a confirmation from Anand. That's not to say that the retail units are issue-free, but they do have a newer firmware that supposedly fixes the issues we've been having.

We now have an 840 Pro with the new firmware as well, lets see if we can kill that one...
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We now have an 840 Pro with the new firmware as well, lets see if we can kill that one...
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:22 PM   #195
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I do hope you redo all the tests, specially the power usages tests.

It was terribly wrong of Samsung to send to the reviewers a drive that has a different firmware from the one sold at retailers, when different firmwares could have different performance or have different issues.
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I do hope you redo all the tests, specially the power usages tests.

It was terribly wrong of Samsung to send to the reviewers a drive that has a different firmware from the one sold at retailers, when different firmwares could have different performance or have different issues.
True enough.
I guess the only way to make sure is to buy the SSD (or whatever) from a retailer, so then, you know that the company in question can't pull any fast ones.
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lets wait and see if the new 840 Pro fails.. this thread may be coming to a conclusion
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lets wait and see if the new 840 Pro fails.. this thread may be coming to a conclusion
The suspense is killing me...lol!!
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The suspense is killing me...lol!!
For all these people worried about filling up an 840 to then have it fail. Information on a retail drive failing is on everyone's radar.. and now with Anandtech repeating the benchmarks on a retail drive they will soon know. I still think you cant go wrong with a samsung 830... not only should the drive last longer with the 27nm VS 22nm nand(on the 840) but its proven to be solid as a rock from day one.
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Seems like 830 is the x25-m of this generation
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