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Old 11-16-2012, 07:14 AM   #201
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Then the amps didn't have proper filtering, and you needed to add that before the amp. You must always assume that your AC power is nasty stuff and needs some amount of filtering.
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Guys, girls, cable-skeptics,

If you don't have the money to purchase a mid / high-end power cords (or any audio cables) go check out thecableco.com. They have a library where they offer thousands of cables from different manufacturers for you to try out as a trial. They charge you 5% of the value of the cable you want to try out for two weeks. They are used / demo cables. You can check out ones that cost a couple hundred dollars to thousands of dollars. Also it is important that your system (other than cables) is up to snug to get proper results.... YMMV.

Be thankful they have such service so that you don't have to purchase a brand new cable to try out...

The power cords do make difference to the sound. Some say they make even larger difference than you get with audio cables...

Dude, I grew up in an electronics mid level supplier/retailer... I have seen more speakers and cable than you can count.
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Well -- if the bulbs are CFLs (fluorescents) then turning them off actually may help. CFLs are nasty, with most using cheap magnetic ballasts that add noise to your power circuits. I've experienced that firsthand -- with humming subwoofer amps, humming/buzzing power amps, etc.

The sane approach to solving that problem is to get rid of the CFLs. Replace them with incandescent or LED bulbs. Sitting in a dark room with a flashlight? Uh... no.
LOL. for the sake of arguing, I use CFLs throughout my house and it has no audible effect that I can perceive on my audio equipment (see sig for details). But surely, a purist like Patrick would never use CFL if it had the slightest chance of affecting his beloved sound. Also consider that his high end, super duper, $80K, 10 years in the making power cable will easily remove any CFL induced noise. He also uses a multitude of noise eliminating "tweaks".

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Guys, girls, cable-skeptics,

If you don't have the money to purchase a mid / high-end power cords (or any audio cables) go check out thecableco.com. They have a library where they offer thousands of cables from different manufacturers for you to try out as a trial. They charge you 5% of the value of the cable you want to try out for two weeks. They are used / demo cables. You can check out ones that cost a couple hundred dollars to thousands of dollars. Also it is important that your system (other than cables) is up to snug to get proper results.... YMMV.

Be thankful they have such service so that you don't have to purchase a brand new cable to try out...

The power cords do make difference to the sound. Some say they make even larger difference than you get with audio cables...



Power cables have no measurable effect on audio signals and if it can't be measured, it's not there. You're making stuff up as you go like your assertion that gold is only used in low end gears and that it is a poor conductor. Even Patrick disagree with you on this.
Your ignorance is appalling.
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Let me clarify my statement. I'm not opposed to people buying expensive cables, it's their money, not mine. However, if someone is looking to buy expensive cables, they better have the equipment to go along with it, and I'm not talking about a MacBook Pro with some low end speakers. Now if you have a Classe SSP-800 pre/pro with some Classe/McIntosh amps and B&W 800 Diamond series speakers (or any other high end speakers) and have a few extra thousand dollars burning a hole in your pocket, sure, knock yourself out. Buy some expensive cables. They won't really add anything extra to the sound quality, but they sure do look cool.

That being said, this OCDing over power cables (or any cables for that matter) is ridiculous. ESPECIALLY someone claiming to have $80K power cables. That's just stupid. But like I said, it's someone else's money, not mine.
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Well, selling large volume cables (generic grade) is one thing, but testing out high-end cables is another.

This is like saying I work at the car wash so I know all about cars... it doesn't work that way. (no pun intended, and not directed at you)
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I have mil spec cables, as in cables used in airplanes. You really don't know what you are talking about. Do you even know what a high end cable is? No, I am not talking about your fairy dust infused stuff.
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I meant "gold-plated". Both nickels and gold are bad source for conductance.. this is standard.

High performance power cords do play very important role... They filter higher frequencies before feeding power to your equipment. All sorts of electrical noise is also removed or minimized so that you get clean power.
... power cable that filters... that is an oxymoron...
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Well the airplane cables are not used for audiophiles.. they serve different purpose.
Aerospace industry cables have much higher standards... especially mil spec.
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That's half correct. The expensive cables are not only for looks but really for sound performance. I do get amazing sound out of my $1200 Angel cable from either MBP or PC w/ sound card with my A2 speakers. They sound better than many other speakers that cost thousands more.
LOL......where is a double blind test when you need one?
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Aerospace industry cables have much higher standards... especially mil spec.

Do yours have putty squidged around the ends?

Are they wrapped in paper?

Are you a loon that cant separate reality from fantasy?

Well then your argument is invalid.
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That's half correct. The expensive cables are not only for looks but really for sound performance. I do get amazing sound out of my $1200 Angel cable from either MBP or PC w/ sound card with my A2 speakers. They sound better than many other speakers that cost thousands more.
It's 100% correct. You should have spent the money on better speakers rather than a cable. Sorry. If you are truly after better SQ performance, upgrading your speakers would have been the correct choice. In other words, "you chose...poorly."
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That's half correct. Actually 1/4 correct. The real benefit of the high-end cables is the sound, not looks. I have listened to quite a few speakers that cost more than my A2 speakers but they don't sound as good as my A2. There is something you just can't get with larger higher end speakers that you can get with A2's especially coupled with mid / high-end cables. I doubt even a $3000 speaker set will be able to compete, unless you get into over 10 grand just on speakers.
I'll go ahead and leave you with your delusions.
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Isn't gold used because it doesn't erode?
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Yes, gold does not suffer oxidation and corrosion like copper or silver do. It also transmits electrons far better than a layer of plastic would if you wanted to use that as an insulator instead...
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Not primarily. It's used because it is the best conductor of electricity.

Plus, it is very easily worked, so it can be made in lots of different shapes, and since it's the best conductor, it doesn't need to be as large to carry the same amount of electricity as say, copper.
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Then the amps didn't have proper filtering, and you needed to add that before the amp. You must always assume that your AC power is nasty stuff and needs some amount of filtering.
Very possible. But considering how frequently I've seen this, it's apparent that most audio equipment lacks proper filtering (I'm referring to moderately-afforable equipment here -- not to $20K Krell monoblocks). Power filtration is a good idea, but it's also good to avoid adding the noise when possible.

I do have an APC H15, but it seems to be just about useless for power filtration.
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Also when you go with a performance cable make sure to get the longer ones as they increase benefit of electrical noise filtration. 8ft would be good, more expensive though.
If you really want good cabling, you need to upgrade from silver to a super conductor. Sure it's expensive to keep them cold while the music is playing, and pumping the liquid nitrogen around the listening room can look a little messy (not to mention dealing with the condensation) but the way it opens up the sound is unmatched!
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I meant "gold-plated". Both nickels and gold are bad source for conductance.. this is standard.

High performance power cords do play very important role... They filter higher frequencies before feeding power to your equipment. All sorts of electrical noise is also removed or minimized so that you get clean power.
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Not primarily. It's used because it is the best conductor of electricity.

Plus, it is very easily worked, so it can be made in lots of different shapes, and since it's the best conductor, it doesn't need to be as large to carry the same amount of electricity as say, copper.
(said in a condescending tone to cheez, and in a friendly tone to Pacfanweb) Gold is the third best conductor, better than it are copper and silver. However, Gold is the least resistive metal - you loose the least amount of signal to it really. Regardless of that, gold is used because unlike silver and copper, there's no real concerns about it tarnishing/oxidizing.

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Also when you go with a performance cable make sure to get the longer ones as they increase benefit of electrical noise filtration. 8ft would be good, more expensive though.
You mean the longest cable is the most likely to pick up EF noise, right?


Oh- reminds me - do you turn your cell phone off? Cell phones can interfere with audio too.
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If you really want good cabling, you need to upgrade from silver to a super conductor. Sure it's expensive to keep them cold while the music is playing, and pumping the liquid nitrogen around the listening room can look a little messy (not to mention dealing with the condensation) but the way it opens up the sound is unmatched!


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Why would a power cable filter noise. Isn't the point of a cable to transmit the source with as little alteration as possible?
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Power cables have no measurable effect on audio signals and if it can't be measured, it's not there. You're making stuff up as you go like your assertion that gold is only used in low end gears and that it is a poor conductor. Even Patrick disagree with you on this.
Your ignorance is appalling.
No, gold is a poor conductor, it's only ok for plating, but not anywhere else.
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No, gold is a poor conductor, it's only ok for plating, but not anywhere else.
The amount of ignorance in this post is astounding. I linked you to a list of metals ranked in order of conductance, and gold is number 3 in the list.

Here, I'll link it again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electri...ious_materials

English ************, do you speak it?
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