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Old 11-13-2012, 05:18 PM   #551
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Makes sense, I figured that's what he was asking. I'm not a onenote user.

Sidenote, when I launch onenote I don't have the ability to back out any higher than the sample notebook. I tried tapping the name at the top like you mentioned.
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:43 PM   #552
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Makes sense, I figured that's what he was asking. I'm not a onenote user.

Sidenote, when I launch onenote I don't have the ability to back out any higher than the sample notebook. I tried tapping the name at the top like you mentioned.
No matter where you're at in OneNote (except the top level notebook list), you should have some text at the very top with a "<" to the left. That's the title you touch to go back. Use that to back all the way up until you get to where it shows just "ONENOTE".

I am assuming you're using the WP8 app and not the WP7.5 built-in Office app. These have their differences.
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I had to sync OneNote before I could go up to the notebook and section views.
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well at least now sprint is getting some windows phones.... but all these bugs is scaring me away...
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well at least now sprint is getting some windows phones.... but all these bugs is scaring me away...
There aren't really any bugs, just stuff people want and aren't there. IMO, a lot of it is minor and easily overlook-able.
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There aren't really any bugs, just stuff people want and aren't there. IMO, a lot of it is minor and easily overlook-able.
this is true. Everything is a minor 'missing' feature.

However I have had one bug. And another member on wpcentral already posted about it. I had the ATT rep sync over my contacts from my iPhone in the store. Got home, and later connected the phone to facebook(not the facebook app). Instead of merging, it overwrote or deleted a portion of my contacts. Some were overwritten by the contact information from facebook so numbers were deleted from people, or some contacts who were on the phone only were just deleted all together.

I haven't heard anyone else complain about this except for like I said the one other guy on wpcentral who had an identical issue.

But good thing I still have my iPhone and can resync my contacts over..somehow. Still working on it.
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There aren't really any bugs, just stuff people want and aren't there. IMO, a lot of it is minor and easily overlook-able.
I disagree. The wifi shutting down on lock and killing downloads is a major bug. MS has acknowledged it...but who knows when a fix is coming in. A lot of people are having exchange syncing issues. There are a number of people reporting issues with syncing to the desktop app. And that's not even including the the OEM hardware and software issues and the abortion that is the WP app market.

Maybe prior WP users are used to/have accepted this. But coming from a fairly stable iOS environment it's a shocking change.
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I disagree. The wifi shutting down on lock and killing downloads is a major bug. MS has acknowledged it...but who knows when a fix is coming in. A lot of people are having exchange syncing issues. There are a number of people reporting issues with syncing to the desktop app. And that's not even including the the OEM hardware and software issues and the abortion that is the WP app market.

Maybe prior WP users are used to/have accepted this. But coming from a fairly stable iOS environment it's a shocking change.
The wifi shutting off is not a bug, it's an obvious design choice based on battery life that they are looking to change because that's what their customer wants. I've not seen anybody complaining of Exchange syncing problems, so I can't comment on that. As far as the desktop syncing app, I'm not aware of anything it can do that simply using an explorer window can't. People clamor for their phone to show up as a drive and when Microsoft does everyone a solid and gives it, they complain about something else.

Care to expound on the "OEM hardware and software issues"? As for the store, yes, we get it, it doesn't have all 750k apps of the competition, but it has quite a few useful ones. It's not an "abortion". Anything I've not had an app for, the web typically works perfectly fine (bank, fantasy football, etc). For anything else, I've managed the rest of my life without an app for it and I can manage perfectly fine now.

Seriously, just take your phone back and go back to iOS. You're really trying to look for problems now instead of just using the damn thing. I honestly don't care which mobile OS you decide to use, pick whatever is best for you. I just feel like you're making mountains out of molehills.
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As for the store, yes, we get it, it doesn't have all 750k apps of the competition, but it has quite a few useful ones. It's not an "abortion". Anything I've not had an app for, the web typically works perfectly fine (bank, fantasy football, etc). For anything else, I've managed the rest of my life without an app for it and I can manage perfectly fine now.
That just sounds like you've accepted defeat. Sorry but it's just a hell of a lot easier to manage a fantasy lineup through an app than through a website. At least on a mobile device. Same thing for quick checks on match ups. Yahoo! doesn't even offer a first party app. ESPN had it but it was a Nokia exclusive. Then they updated it. Broke it. And now it's not even available. I just find it inconceivable that at this point in mobile development MS hasn't flown a sales guy with a briefcase full of money down to Atlanta GA to ESPN corporate and said "HERE...BUILD IT!. Oh and make it available to everyone!"

When it comes to banking can you take a picture of a check and have it deposited from the full websites? That's a pretty slick feature available through banking apps. Which from what I could tell was an option for WP7 through Chase...but was a Nokia exclusive.

It just boggles my mind that MS allows that. They are fragmenting an already microscopic market by allowing apps based on phone brand.
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The wifi shutting off is not a bug, it's an obvious design choice based on battery life that they are looking to change because that's what their customer wants. I've not seen anybody complaining of Exchange syncing problems, so I can't comment on that. As far as the desktop syncing app, I'm not aware of anything it can do that simply using an explorer window can't. People clamor for their phone to show up as a drive and when Microsoft does everyone a solid and gives it, they complain about something else.

Care to expound on the "OEM hardware and software issues"? As for the store, yes, we get it, it doesn't have all 750k apps of the competition, but it has quite a few useful ones. It's not an "abortion". Anything I've not had an app for, the web typically works perfectly fine (bank, fantasy football, etc). For anything else, I've managed the rest of my life without an app for it and I can manage perfectly fine now.

Seriously, just take your phone back and go back to iOS. You're really trying to look for problems now instead of just using the damn thing. I honestly don't care which mobile OS you decide to use, pick whatever is best for you. I just feel like you're making mountains out of molehills.
I think you're being a bit harsh to vi but are mostly correct. There are a lot of things that Windows Phone just does differently than iOS or Android. A lot has been added and more will continue to be. However, a person has to decide whether the UI and general functionality of WP out weighs the minor negatives or not. I think the app store is quite good as it has over 125k apps but it lacks those random, but often useless, store marketing apps. Paul Thurott put it best: http://winsupersite.com/windows-phon...one-acceptance

I actually really like the Zune software for WP7 so I've always been a bit sad to see it go for WP8 but I think a lot of that has to do with trying to remove the necessity of a PC. I assume you can update the platform without a PC now?

Oh, I'm sure that ESPN app will be back soon. It appears like they pulled it from the market temporarily because people, like you, were having issues with the latest update. I'm sure it will be back up soon. WP8 is only a couple weeks old so I'm not surprised some apps are a little buggy. http://www.wpcentral.com/espn-fantas...ntasy-teams-it


edit: The Chase app is not a Nokia exclusive app. Most non-Nokia apps are exclusive for a short period of time and then get released to everyone.

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still no proper PDF viewer. I need a phone on which I can rely 100% to open PDFs.

I have found workaround for almost everything that I do on iPhone. Some things are easier, some are harder. But, there is no workaround to open PDF

How can MS not even program a simple PDF viewer, that works reliably, in time for launch ?
And the phone seriously needs an orientation lock (makes it practically impossible to view landscape documents)
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That just sounds like you've accepted defeat. Sorry but it's just a hell of a lot easier to manage a fantasy lineup through an app than through a website. At least on a mobile device. Same thing for quick checks on match ups. Yahoo! doesn't even offer a first party app. ESPN had it but it was a Nokia exclusive. Then they updated it. Broke it. And now it's not even available. I just find it inconceivable that at this point in mobile development MS hasn't flown a sales guy with a briefcase full of money down to Atlanta GA to ESPN corporate and said "HERE...BUILD IT!. Oh and make it available to everyone!"

When it comes to banking can you take a picture of a check and have it deposited from the full websites? That's a pretty slick feature available through banking apps. Which from what I could tell was an option for WP7 through Chase...but was a Nokia exclusive.

It just boggles my mind that MS allows that. They are fragmenting an already microscopic market by allowing apps based on phone brand.
Accepting defeat, over apps? They're just applications for crying out loud, we're not going to war here.

You do realize that a lot of websites have mobile versions that act pretty much like an app would, right? My fantasy football is on NFL.com and it's laid out pretty easily. Big buttons to touch, all the extraneous data out of the way and what's important is formatted for a mobile screen. The vast majority of apps out there would be perfectly fine staying as a formatted web page. There have been many, many times when I've seen signs for apps on iOS and Android but, when visiting the webpage, gave me the same functionality as the apps.

As for taking pictures of checks, I've never had to do this. I can't even remember the last time I had to deposit a check. If I ever do, I'll do it the old fashioned way and deposit it at the bank the next time I'm in town. My online banking consists of checking my accounts and moving money around if I need to.

The absolute only time I've ever wished I had an app that wasn't on WP7.5 was when Draw Something came out and everybody at work was playing it. But, the fad was over in 3 weeks and it didn't matter.

So no, I'm not accepting defeat, I'm being realistic. The whole app thing that iOS and Android users like to throw around is a small part truth, large part bullshit. If you need apps for every single thing you do on a phone, then please, go to a another OS that provides that for you. I'm just saying that the whole app thing is very well overblown by people who don't sit back and actually think about it.
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Accepting defeat, over apps? They're just applications for crying out loud, we're not going to war here.

You do realize that a lot of websites have mobile versions that act pretty much like an app would, right? My fantasy football is on NFL.com and it's laid out pretty easily. Big buttons to touch, all the extraneous data out of the way and what's important is formatted for a mobile screen. The vast majority of apps out there would be perfectly fine staying as a formatted web page. There have been many, many times when I've seen signs for apps on iOS and Android but, when visiting the webpage, gave me the same functionality as the apps.

As for taking pictures of checks, I've never had to do this. I can't even remember the last time I had to deposit a check. If I ever do, I'll do it the old fashioned way and deposit it at the bank the next time I'm in town. My online banking consists of checking my accounts and moving money around if I need to.

The absolute only time I've ever wished I had an app that wasn't on WP7.5 was when Draw Something came out and everybody at work was playing it. But, the fad was over in 3 weeks and it didn't matter.

So no, I'm not accepting defeat, I'm being realistic. The whole app thing that iOS and Android users like to throw around is a small part truth, large part bullshit. If you need apps for every single thing you do on a phone, then please, go to a another OS that provides that for you. I'm just saying that the whole app thing is very well overblown by people who don't sit back and actually think about it.
Hey Blurred,
I hate to side against ya on this one but that's spoken truly like someone who's just never had the pleasure of using all the ios apps. (Of course I have no idea what devices you own and you very well could have an ios device along side the 920)

I for one am willing to look past a lot of the "missing features" as most of what I've come across has been minor inconveniences which could easily be corrected with a software update. Hell give me one good wp8 update with about a dozen minor tweaks and i'd be rockin!
In the longer haul it's going to tough if the Microsoft store doesn't grow. I think I saw someone said there's already 120K apps which amazes me because everytime I go into the store it shows me the same 10 games, and 20 apps, half of which are nokia apps so I already have them.
Apps aren't everything, but they can be extremely handy! For work I use apps like logmein, remote desktop, and mozy pro to check on things. I also use network utilities like ping to test public addresses. I've checked the ms store and haven't been able to find these. For recreation its great to have games on the phone. I love me some solitaire and Sudoku, and the ones on the ms store suck compared to the games I had on my 4s. Now of course not having all the same games isn't a deal breaker, just a "sigh, darn". And who knows, if the wp8 base can grow, hopefully the developers will bring them over.

Is there a wp8 equivalent to ios apps such as currency converter or units?


Hey on a side note. I have noticed that the glass on the 920 is extremely resistance to skin oils and lotions. Normally on my iPhone after making a few calls I'd really have to clean the screen(its dry here so I put face lotion on every day which gets on the screen). I've only had to wipe the 920 screen twice since Saturday!

Oh and another side note. A Big positive check mark for WP8. The OS feels very smooth, very snappy and minimal lag which is fantastic! More than lack of features I hate a laggy phone. I've set up a few droid phones for clients and gone "ugh why is this so slow"
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Apps are are nothing more than a matter of convenience; if you don't have a certain one the world keeps turning. Personally it doesn't influence my purchasing decision in the slightest when I plan to upgrade over the next couple months (coming from a BB I've had for two years but never once used an app of any kind). But with that said, it's only a matter of time until they're all more or less equal anyway; the holes will be filled and the bugs will be fixed.
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But with that said, it's only a matter of time until they're all more or less equal anyway; the holes will be filled and the bugs will be fixed.
And until that time, a lot of people simply won't even consider a Windows phone. It actually matters quite a bit.
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Isn't the entire purpose of a smart phone that of convenience?
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Lets all stay civil. This is a thread simply about a phone. Some will love it. Some will hate it. Just all a personal preference and what that person 'needs' from a phone.

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Hey Blurred,
I hate to side against ya on this one but that's spoken truly like someone who's just never had the pleasure of using all the ios apps. (Of course I have no idea what devices you own and you very well could have an ios device along side the 920)

I for one am willing to look past a lot of the "missing features" as most of what I've come across has been minor inconveniences which could easily be corrected with a software update. Hell give me one good wp8 update with about a dozen minor tweaks and i'd be rockin!
In the longer haul it's going to tough if the Microsoft store doesn't grow. I think I saw someone said there's already 120K apps which amazes me because everytime I go into the store it shows me the same 10 games, and 20 apps, half of which are nokia apps so I already have them.
Apps aren't everything, but they can be extremely handy! For work I use apps like logmein, remote desktop, and mozy pro to check on things. I also use network utilities like ping to test public addresses. I've checked the ms store and haven't been able to find these. For recreation its great to have games on the phone. I love me some solitaire and Sudoku, and the ones on the ms store suck compared to the games I had on my 4s. Now of course not having all the same games isn't a deal breaker, just a "sigh, darn". And who knows, if the wp8 base can grow, hopefully the developers will bring them over.

Is there a wp8 equivalent to ios apps such as currency converter or units?


Hey on a side note. I have noticed that the glass on the 920 is extremely resistance to skin oils and lotions. Normally on my iPhone after making a few calls I'd really have to clean the screen(its dry here so I put face lotion on every day which gets on the screen). I've only had to wipe the 920 screen twice since Saturday!

Oh and another side note. A Big positive check mark for WP8. The OS feels very smooth, very snappy and minimal lag which is fantastic! More than lack of features I hate a laggy phone. I've set up a few droid phones for clients and gone "ugh why is this so slow"
I used WP7.5 enough and I can tell you the app ecosystem isn't there. It isn't even close. In fact I have so few apps on my Windows Phone I don't bother. On Android I have a BUNCH of apps. I would say the selection is there but the quality isn't. iOS apps are still a step above. I think once you use iOS, you will realize your reliance on mobile apps. When you come back to Android, you go "Wait why don't they have an app for that?" OR "Cool same app... wtf why is it so broken and outdated looking?" On Windows Phone you go "WTF there's no app? Oh well I don't need it anyway." It's a defeatist attitude. You learn to live your life without a certain function and then now you tell everyone you don't need an app.

Seriously. Once I sat around for a banquet for 3 hours and I tried to download games on my phone. WTF was I playing? Trash like a basketball game? Kinda ridiculous.
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Isn't the entire purpose of a smart phone that of convenience?
Yep. I would get a windows phone but I was looking through the app store and most of the stuff that I really find useful on android are not there. There really needs to be a better music app. There is no spotify for one example. No apps for a lot of the news I read to keep up with local things too. Now I know you can always go to the site but the app does add a convenience of a single tap/click.
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I used WP7.5 enough and I can tell you the app ecosystem isn't there. It isn't even close. In fact I have so few apps on my Windows Phone I don't bother. On Android I have a BUNCH of apps. I would say the selection is there but the quality isn't. iOS apps are still a step above. I think once you use iOS, you will realize your reliance on mobile apps. When you come back to Android, you go "Wait why don't they have an app for that?" OR "Cool same app... wtf why is it so broken and outdated looking?" On Windows Phone you go "WTF there's no app? Oh well I don't need it anyway." It's a defeatist attitude. You learn to live your life without a certain function and then now you tell everyone you don't need an app.

Seriously. Once I sat around for a banquet for 3 hours and I tried to download games on my phone. WTF was I playing? Trash like a basketball game? Kinda ridiculous.
Hahah well said. Since I'm making the transition from an iPhone 4s those are exactly the thoughts I'm having. Mostly I can live without my apps. I'm really pushing for Microsoft to get into the market. We desperately need another major contender. I was getting so bored with the same old crap from Apple. And so far I actually do Love my 920..just crossing my fingers the ms store will grow.

So speaking of the store. Is the Microsoft store the same across the surface, windows 8 and windows phone 8? Kind of like how the app store for ios has iphone and ipad apps?

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As far as I know the store is the same in that your purchases sync across platforms but some apps are on the phone but not windows 8 or RT.

Thing is, a lot of the iOS apps are there because the OS itself lacks a functionality that can be done with a simple app. The other thing I notice is that you have very limited hardware sets so you get what console gamers have, software written for specific hardware. Android has so many hardware options from many manufacturers that developers need to work harder. Add the fact that there are literally 10apps sometimes that do the same thing and it becomes difficult to find the right one for your needs.
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Isn't the entire purpose of a smart phone that of convenience?
I dunno, you tell me. I still only use my phone for texting, calling and some very sparse web browsing. Though having some emulators on there would be pretty cool, that's about the only thing I can think of that I'd want it to do outside of "phone" duty. Oh, maybe a music player too, but even then I'd probably just use my iPod until phones start coming with 100+ GB of storage.

I think the purpose of a smart phone is kind of like that Larry the Cable Guy "Wildberry" Prilosec commercial; it's to make you want something you didn't even know you wanted. Apps included.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:51 AM   #573
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Hey Blurred,
I hate to side against ya on this one but that's spoken truly like someone who's just never had the pleasure of using all the ios apps. (Of course I have no idea what devices you own and you very well could have an ios device along side the 920)
I used an iPhone 3G for a year, then moved up to the 4 for a year and a half before switching to WP7.5 in November of last year, then to WP8 last week.

One of my biggest concerns when moving from iOS to WP was app selection. Honestly, the only thing I've ever found lacking with apps is the games selection. Anything else, as I've said, always seems to have an equivalent mobile web page that works just as well. Earlier this summer the wife and I went to a big outlet mall while on vacation. They had advertised some iOS and Android apps to get coupons for the stores that could be scanned in while checking out. No WP app mentioned or available. I went to the web address that was also on the ad and guess what...there was a mobile version available that gave me access to the same coupons. Just one of the examples that makes me think people put way too much stock into apps. Most apps are just self-contained web pages. Just pin the webpage to the start screen and be done with it. App not needed.
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:16 PM   #574
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Small workaround for those people who don't like wifi shutting down on lock screen.

It is the same as wp7, as long as your phone is on the charger/connected to usb the wifi will stay on and connected. I know it is not optimal but it is something.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:46 PM   #575
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As far as I know the store is the same in that your purchases sync across platforms but some apps are on the phone but not windows 8 or RT.

Thing is, a lot of the iOS apps are there because the OS itself lacks a functionality that can be done with a simple app. The other thing I notice is that you have very limited hardware sets so you get what console gamers have, software written for specific hardware. Android has so many hardware options from many manufacturers that developers need to work harder. Add the fact that there are literally 10apps sometimes that do the same thing and it becomes difficult to find the right one for your needs.
Windows 8 and WinRT share the same app store but not every app is available for WinRT (90% are though and most will eventually. There wasn't really any time to test RT apps on a real device until it launched). You write the app once then check the box for both stores.

WP8 is based off of the NT kernel like Win8/WinRT but it's a different app store. Supposedly, 70% of the code can be shared between apps on Win8/WinRT and apps on WP8. If this is true, I could see both of the app stores exploding as writing three apps wouldn't be much more work than writing one and you get that soon to be giant Win8 user base.
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