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Old 11-12-2012, 02:56 PM   #126
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What about with a decent microphone and spectral or harmonic analyser?
You guys know as well as I do that the FSM alters these "scientific" results with his noodly appendage. The only thing you can trust as these two disciples rightly teach is your ears since his noddly appendage is totally grossed out by earwax.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:48 PM   #127
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Best advice indeed.
It's the ears, not stupid equipments to measure.. the sonic signatures can't be measured. The ears can.


Framerates on video games can be measured, but sonic signatures can't. Only the ears can conduct this.

I do not regret buying a $1200 1.5m mini cable 5 months ago as it's giving me a huge difference in sound out of MBP.
Must take a lot of self delusion to justify your purchases. We can detect something as difficult as anti-matter, but nothing can determine a distinction between two audio sources but the human error. ROFL
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:22 PM   #128
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Must take a lot of self delusion to justify your purchases. We can detect something as difficult as anti-matter, but nothing can determine a distinction between two audio sources but the human error. ROFL
That's because they only measure the data of the audio sources. That's what skeptics do, they think of things in a digital manner, bits are bits, only 0 and 1 is possible...
Maybe in the future the skeptics will figure out how to measure things properly. In the mean time, the believers are enjoying the great eargasms cables give.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:29 PM   #129
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That's because they only measure the data of the audio sources. That's what skeptics do, they think of things in a digital manner, bits are bits, only 0 and 1 is possible...
Maybe in the future the skeptics will figure out how to measure things properly. In the mean time, the believers are enjoying the great eargasms cables give.
Right, because analog interconnects pass 1s and 0s too.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:10 PM   #130
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I'm not AudioTruth. If this guy is Patrick82 I would like to meet him. Have a cup of coffee and discuss about cool cables. I love cables to death due to visual appearance and serious increase in sound quality.


Best advice indeed.
It's the ears, not stupid equipments to measure.. the sonic signatures can't be measured. The ears can.


Framerates on video games can be measured, but sonic signatures can't. Only the ears can conduct this.

I do not regret buying a $1200 1.5m mini cable 5 months ago as it's giving me a huge difference in sound out of MBP.

My next cable upgrade for the Focal speakers will be the Audioquest Niagara XLR cables which will run $1800 for only 1m long. This will happen sometime second quarter of next year. First quarter I will be getting the $1200 external DAC...

I would love to buy me a couple of Power cables ($2400) but I don't have money for that unfortunately.
Get several people, including yourself, to do a blind test with your equipment and get back to us.

Some people could nott wrap their mind around the fact that the plane would take off. Mythhbusters settled the argument for good. Maybe we should get them to test very expensive audio cables.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:26 PM   #131
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That's because they only measure the data of the audio sources@#@# That's what skeptics do, they think of things in a digital manner, bits are bits, only 0 and 1 is possible...
Maybe in the future the skeptics will figure out how to measure things properly. In the mean time, the believers are enjoying the great eargasms cables give.
Uh...power cables do not equal digital transforms. Ever hear of an oscilloscope?



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How can you spend "many years" designing $80k power cables (lol) that took you a "half year to build", and still have to ask if a power cable can damage an amp? Really?
This is pretty comical, I must admit...
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:36 PM   #132
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Get several people, including yourself, to do a blind test with your equipment and get back to us.

Some people could nott wrap their mind around the fact that the plane would take off. Mythhbusters settled the argument for good. Maybe we should get them to test very expensive audio cables.
The standard blind tests are a flawed way of testing. In all blind tests I made, I scored 100% on the first few trials, but then I got listening fatigue and had to quit. The best blind test is a multiple choice test, I compared 8 power cables, my answer was none of the above, and it was correct (the one who switched the cables made a mistake, and this was audible).
It has happened in another blind test too, that the tweak was placed upside down, and I could hear it. Tests like these are far better than simple A/B blind tests where you get fatigued after a few trials.
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Parcel with the cables is waiting for me at the post office now! I'm going to get it!
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So basically at no point were the fancy cables in the system during he tests? but you could hear the phasing when one of the cables was put in the wrong way around?
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:49 PM   #135
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Cheez - you're trying waaaay too hard** Best if you sit out the next couple of troll attempts as you aren't in Audiotruth's league** When the Truth moves on, you can ***e back and claim your top cable spot**
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B- work at best Cheez. The Truth has raised the bar so you're going to need to up your game.
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It saddens me that there are still people gullible enough to believe in this stuff...a cable doesn't make a difference. Power conditioning, sure. Proper filtering, yes...but cables?!

Hell, people still but $150 HDMI cables...when there is ZERO reason to.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:35 PM   #138
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Power conditioning, sure. Proper filtering, yes
Shams. Surge protector or a UPS are the only things worth caring about between the wall and your system.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:39 PM   #139
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So basically at no point were the fancy cables in the system during he tests? but you could hear the phasing when one of the cables was put in the wrong way around?
The power cable was plugged in, but not deep enough, there was a few mm gap, and this was audible. My answer was that the cable wasn't plugged in deep enough, because that is how it sounded like, and it was the correct answer. I chose the correct cable too, PS Audio Statement, but didn't pick the correct length. 1.5m vs 1m was a small difference.

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Old 11-13-2012, 10:27 PM   #142
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Shams. Surge protector or a UPS are the only things worth caring about between the wall and your system.
Then you're ill informed. A lot of places get noise on their AC power, and a power conditioner is designed to clean that up.
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It's great isn't it? I love it.
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Wait, it's a $300,000 DAC...that doesn't even have gold plated RCA contacts?
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It saddens me that there are still people gullible enough to believe in this stuff...a cable doesn't make a difference. Power conditioning, sure. Proper filtering, yes...but cables?!

Hell, people still but $150 HDMI cables...when there is ZERO reason to.
Fiber optic cables too, can't have that digital colouration turning 0's into 1's.
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Then you're ill informed. A lot of places get noise on their AC power, and a power conditioner is designed to clean that up.
Then you have a ground issue, plain and simple. Sorry, filtering on the AC side is more bull from people who want to sell you expensive boxes that do nothing.
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Then you have a ground issue, plain and simple. Sorry, filtering on the AC side is more bull from people who want to sell you expensive boxes that do nothing.
So you're telling me there's zero fluctuations in AC power? It never has a peak below or above +/-169V? That there's no ripple that needs to be controlled? No need to control the RMS voltage? No need for surge protection? Wow, you're ignorant. They can be crucial to use with tube amps, for example.
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So you're telling me there's zero fluctuations in AC power? It never has a peak below or above +/-169V? That there's no ripple that needs to be controlled? No need to control the RMS voltage? No need for surge protection? Wow, you're ignorant. They can be crucial to use with tube amps, for example.
There are fluctuations, but there is no "need" to clean them up. It's a good idea to have a surge protector but that's it. A modern power supply will handle the incoming AC power just fine. One thing for sure, a power conditioner may give you a cleaner looking AC signal going into your audio gear but it's NOT going to make your gear sound better or worst. Filter circuits inside your gear's power supply are there for this purpose.
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There are fluctuations, but there is no "need" to clean them up. It's a good idea to have a surge protector but that's it. A modern power supply will handle the incoming AC power just fine. One thing for sure, a power conditioner may give you a cleaner looking AC signal going into your audio gear but it's NOT going to make your gear sound better or worst. Filter circuits inside your gear's power supply are there for this purpose.
Sure, but this assuming good filtering. I'm not saying you need this on a $500+ AMP, but conditioners do actually do something tangible...something that expensive cables won't really do. Certainly not in cases where you're transporting digital signals.
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Wait, it's a $300,000 DAC...that doesn't even have gold plated RCA contacts?
It's a $300,000 modification with crystals. The DAC comes for free, and all the contacts on it are gold plated.
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