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10-31-2012, 07:57 PM
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Lifer
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Interview, Rasterman - E17
I figured I'd throw this up here. There's nothing terribly new, but it might get someone interested in trying E17. It's a great little window manager that has no parallel in the GNU/Linux world. It's ideal for low powered machines as it uses few resources, but still has a lot of eye candy if desired. It's look is distinct, and not to everyone's preference, but that makes it even more worth trying imo.
http://www.h-online.com/open/feature...t-1739812.html
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11-01-2012, 08:05 PM
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E16 was awesome and I ran it for many years. But while E17 looks good on paper, it wasn't a smooth transition and I just couldn't get it to work how I wanted. There was something with multiple monitors that I didn't have time to work around, but I can't remember what it was now.
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11-02-2012, 12:45 PM
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Lifer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nothinman
E16 was awesome and I ran it for many years.
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I remembered you said that before. Do you no longer use E16? If not, what did you switch to?
I have a fairly short list of desktops I like. Xfce is my main desk, but I also like E17 and openbox. Against everything I've done in the past, I've been considering KDE. I've been using that a bit on Backtrack, and it isn't too bad. My biggest problem with that is the weight, and the configuration. There's a lot going on, and much of t I don't care about. It's just stuff that adds confusion, and fattens menus.
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11-02-2012, 02:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lxskllr
I remembered you said that before. Do you no longer use E16? If not, what did you switch to?
I have a fairly short list of desktops I like. Xfce is my main desk, but I also like E17 and openbox. Against everything I've done in the past, I've been considering KDE. I've been using that a bit on Backtrack, and it isn't too bad. My biggest problem with that is the weight, and the configuration. There's a lot going on, and much of t I don't care about. It's just stuff that adds confusion, and fattens menus.
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Pretty much the same. I'm running XFCE here too now. I've wanted to like E17 and OpenBox but could never get them to feel quite right. And KDE seems cool for about 10 minutes until I get inundated with options that don't affect anything I want.
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11-05-2012, 02:54 PM
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I run E17 in Slackware64 - a great WM, but with a few issues.
Lately it's the case of the disappearing widgets - whenever I have to restart X, the clock, cpufreq, and volume widgets disappear off my desktop. When I go into settings to add one of them back, then they all show up.
This, of course, only happens on the laptop, not the desktop machine.
So... keeping my fingers crossed that the real release will be a little more solid.
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11-09-2012, 06:52 PM
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Lifer
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After 12 years of development, E17 has a release date. We'll see... :^D
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11-09-2012, 07:50 PM
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Lifer
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Hopefully having a real release date will mean an E18 coming along. E17 suffered from a critical timing problem, when Rasterman wasn't working on it. Qt got to be quite efficient in that time, and took a lot of E17's thunder.
Edit: oh, I see what you did there...d'oh! 
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Last edited by Cerb; 11-09-2012 at 07:53 PM.
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11-10-2012, 05:04 AM
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Lifer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerb
Hopefully having a real release date will mean an E18 coming along. E17 suffered from a critical timing problem, when Rasterman wasn't working on it. Qt got to be quite efficient in that time, and took a lot of E17's thunder.
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I didn't do anything. That's an official release date, and an official graphic from the Linuxcon presentation in Spain :^D
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11-10-2012, 10:59 AM
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Lifer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lxskllr
I didn't do anything. That's an official release date, and an official graphic from the Linuxcon presentation in Spain :^D
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Wait, what? It's going from DR to alpha to release in just two months? And their own website doesn't even have it as news...
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11-10-2012, 11:16 AM
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Lifer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerb
Wait, what? It's going from DR to alpha to release in just two months? And their own website doesn't even have it as news...
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https://e17releasemanager.wordpress....riday-of-doom/
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11-10-2012, 11:19 AM
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Lifer
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Originally Posted by lxskllr
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http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news
I did go check their website, first...
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11-10-2012, 11:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerb
Wait, what? It's going from DR to alpha to release in just two months? And their own website doesn't even have it as news...
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Sounds very similar to most commercial release cycles. Even with Windows, MS just randomly slaps RC on a build and releases it for testing and then another random release is labeled RTM regardless of whether or not changes were made between the last RC.
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11-10-2012, 02:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lxskllr
After 12 years of development, E17 has a release date. We'll see... :^D
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I'm definitely going to try it out on fedora and ubuntu after the release sometime.
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11-12-2012, 11:40 PM
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I'm going on a diet and start working out when:
Hell freezes over (still safe)
Pigs fly (still safe)
E17 gets released (uh-oh)
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11-13-2012, 07:16 PM
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I'm on the Alpha release right now. Much more stable than all the dev releases leading up to it. Haven't experienced a segfault yet. Composite / software rendering all very snappy.
I don't really use the file manager all too much, so I can't comment on that.
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11-17-2012, 06:47 PM
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Lifer
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For Ubuntu users that want to try the latest packages, here's a ppa for E17...
https://launchpad.net/~efl/+archive/trunk
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11-21-2012, 07:37 AM
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I'm currently using the alpha three release.
+1 For the new theme. It's not as garish as the old one.
-1 For the black screen when you enable Opengl compositing.
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11-28-2012, 04:25 PM
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-1 For the black screen when you enable Opengl compositing.
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Did you try OpenGL compositing without 'Texture from pixmap' enabled? It's under the Advanced composite module settings. Might work.
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11-28-2012, 04:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hf2046
Did you try OpenGL compositing without 'Texture from pixmap' enabled? It's under the Advanced composite module settings. Might work.
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I initially fixed that problem by compiling evas with Opengl ES support. It was fixed upstream in Alpha 5 I believe.
There's one thing about Elementary 17 or rather its default theme. My laptop screen has an after image of the top of the taskbar after using it. I went back to GNOME 3 after that. :/
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12-01-2012, 08:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodell88
I initially fixed that problem by compiling evas with Opengl ES support. It was fixed upstream in Alpha 5 I believe.
There's one thing about Elementary 17 or rather its default theme. My laptop screen has an after image of the top of the taskbar after using it. I went back to GNOME 3 after that. :/
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I had a similar issue - but it was due to dithering settings being enabled in nvidia-settings (display would flicker, after images switching desktops) using the NVIDIA blob. Guess my video card / display combination didn't like that too much.
Software rendering is pretty fast. I've had it enabled in the past by accident and it took me a while to figure out that it wasn't OpenGL.
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12-02-2012, 07:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hf2046
I had a similar issue - but it was due to dithering settings being enabled in nvidia-settings (display would flicker, after images switching desktops) using the NVIDIA blob. Guess my video card / display combination didn't like that too much.
Software rendering is pretty fast. I've had it enabled in the past by accident and it took me a while to figure out that it wasn't OpenGL.
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What I'm talking about is more like temporary burn-in. It was gone after a few hours, but since then I've been a bit nervous using e17 because i don't want the burn-in to be permanent.
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12-03-2012, 08:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodell88
What I'm talking about is more like temporary burn-in. It was gone after a few hours, but since then I've been a bit nervous using e17 because i don't want the burn-in to be permanent.
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Oh... ouch. Haven't had an experience like that on any build of E17...
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12-22-2012, 07:43 AM
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Lifer
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They somehow managed to do it. E17 made final release...
http://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=new...=en&news_id=77
What's next; Hurd? That'll be the third horseman of the apocalypse :^D
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12-22-2012, 08:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lxskllr
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What was the first? Duke Nukem?
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12-22-2012, 11:13 AM
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Lifer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodell88
What was the first? Duke Nukem?
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Yup :^D
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