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Old 11-09-2012, 04:20 PM   #26
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:22 PM   #27
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How woefully predictable these kinds of threads are.
Looks like more of the same here for the next four! Status quo baby! This room has always been easy.
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The Nate Silver effect. Oh yeah, buying into delusions can be expensive.
I heard Romney sold all his stocks!
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So who can tell me how Obamacare leads to layoffs? I'm not trying to be coy, I really don't understand.

I thought that individuals have to buy insurance or pay a penalty the IRS?
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So who can tell me how Obamacare leads to layoffs? I'm not trying to be coy, I really don't understand.

I thought that individuals have to buy insurance or pay a penalty the IRS?
There is an employer mandate that takes effect in 2014 which applies to all firms with 50 or more employees. If an employer fails to provide "qualifying health insurance", they will have to pay an tax fine for each employee. The tax is $2000 per employee and $3000 if an employee receives coverage through an exchange. If the employer has a waiting period to get into the plan, there is an additional tax of $400-$600.

Interestingly, all these penalties can be waived if you're friends with Nancy Pelosi.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:41 PM   #32
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Of course a trend that appears to have started a few decades ago couldn't be part of the real reasons for these changes:

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"While there have always been part-time workers, especially at restaurants and retailers, employers today rely on them far more than before as they seek to cut costs and align staffing to customer traffic. This trend has frustrated millions of Americans who want to work full-time, reducing their pay and benefits.

“Over the past two decades, many major retailers went from a quotient of 70 to 80 percent full-time to at least 70 percent part-time across the industry,” said Burt P. Flickinger III, managing director of the Strategic Resource Group, a retail consulting firm.

No one has collected detailed data on part-time workers at the nation’s major retailers. However, the Bureau of Labor Statistics has found that the retail and wholesale sector, with a total of 18.6 million jobs, has cut a million full-time jobs since 2006, while adding more than 500,000 part-time jobs.

Technology is speeding this transformation. In the past, part-timers might work the same schedule of four- or five-hour shifts every week. But workers’ schedules have become far less predictable and stable. Many retailers now use sophisticated software that tracks the flow of customers, allowing managers to assign just enough employees to handle the anticipated demand.

“Many employers now schedule shifts as short as two or three hours, while historically they may have scheduled eight-hour shifts,” said David Ossip, founder of Dayforce, a producer of scheduling software used by chains like Aéropostale and Pier One Imports.

Some employers even ask workers to come in at the last minute, and the workers risk losing their jobs or being assigned fewer hours in the future if they are unavailable."
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"At the Jamba Juice shop at 53rd Street and Lexington Avenue in Manhattan, along with the juice oranges and whirring blenders is another tool vital to the business: the Weather Channel.

The shop’s managers frequently look at the channel’s Web site and plug the temperature and rain forecast into the software they use to schedule employees.

“Weather has a big effect on our business,” said Nicole Rosser, Jamba’s New York district manager.

If the mercury is going to hit 95 the next day, for instance, the software will suggest scheduling more employees based on the historic increase in store traffic in hot weather. At the 53rd Street store, Ms. Rosser said, that can mean seven employees on the busy 11-to-2 shift, rather than the typical four or five.

Such powerful scheduling software, developed by companies like Dayforce and Kronos over the last decade, has been widely adopted by retail and restaurant chains. The Kronos program that Jamba bought in 2009 breaks down schedules into 15-minute increments. So if the lunchtime rush at a particular shop slows down at 1:45, the software may suggest cutting 15 minutes from the shift of an employee normally scheduled from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m.

Karen Luey, Jamba’s chief financial officer, said the scheduling software “helped us take 400, 500 basis points out of our labor costs,” or 4 to 5 percentage points, a savings of millions of dollars a year.

At Jamba Juice, which has 770 outlets, managers used to piece together their stores’ weekly schedules on an Excel spreadsheet. It took managers about two hours to slot in 25 to 30 employees, all generally part-time except for the store manager and one or two shift managers. With the Kronos software, scheduling takes just 30 minutes."
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/part-t...02.html?page=2

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Old 11-09-2012, 04:53 PM   #33
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Lots of layoffs announced after the election. Obamacare is driving them. Surely someone here is, or is going to be a casualty. Just curious what their thoughts might be.

Mourning in America - Here's Those Layoffs We Voted For Last Night

Welch Allyn
Dana Holding Corp.
Stryker
Boston Scientific
Medtronic
Darden Restaurants
JANCOA Janitorial Services
Kroger

Some smaller layoffs below.

Smith & Nephew - 770 layoffs
Abbott Labs - 700 layoffs
Covidien - 595 layoffs
Kinetic Concepts - 427 layoffs
St. Jude Medical - 300 layoffs
Hill Rom - 200 layoffs


The reduction of hours at Kroger is worrisome for me. I have a number of their employees as members. They don't get paid well to start with and a reduction of hours will certainly mean defaults. I have a strict policy that defaults go to collections so this is not going to be good any way you look at it.

Sacrifices have to me made I guess.
If you are going to post these kinds of biased crap articles at least have the decency to share some peer reviewed papers that actually have data proving your premise.

But of course no such papers exist, which is why unproven rhetoric is the last resort of the deluded.
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There is an employer mandate that takes effect in 2014 which applies to all firms with 50 or more employees. If an employer fails to provide "qualifying health insurance", they will have to pay an tax fine for each employee. The tax is $2000 per employee and $3000 if an employee receives coverage through an exchange. If the employer has a waiting period to get into the plan, there is an additional tax of $400-$600.

Interestingly, all these penalties can be waived if you're friends with Nancy Pelosi.
Gosh, this must be the first time the Federal Government has done something like this right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consoli...on_Act_of_1985
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:27 PM   #35
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So who can tell me how Obamacare leads to layoffs? I'm not trying to be coy, I really don't understand.

I thought that individuals have to buy insurance or pay a penalty the IRS?
Obamacare mandates better insurance than many employers can afford to provide and also certain freebies, so their only practical choice is to lay off. Honestly, once the state exchanges are set up such employers may well drop insurance altogether. Then there might not be as much reason to use part time employees.
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lol.

You tards are quite entertaining. One moment, Romney's "surging", has "momentum", has "large crowds", and is assured the Presidency as a result, polls and statistics be damned. Now suddenly a few companies lay off workers and it clearly must be Obamacare's fault, despite rich data suggesting the increasing cost of healthcare has rapidly decreased.

What, you think we forgot your shitty posts about a Romney victory? This shit is bumpable. Hide in shame, kids.
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Now, of course OP isn't going to cite the rapid increase in employment over the next 4 weeks in the retail and service sector as a direct response to the President's re-election, is he?

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lol.

You tards are quite entertaining. One moment, Romney's "surging", has "momentum", has "large crowds", and is assured the Presidency as a result, polls and statistics be damned. Now suddenly a few companies lay off workers and it clearly must be Obamacare's fault, despite rich data suggesting the increasing cost of healthcare has rapidly decreased.

What, you think we forgot your shitty posts about a Romney victory? This shit is bumpable. Hide in shame, kids.
So ole wise one, please explain why these layoffs are happening?
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If you are going to post these kinds of biased crap articles at least have the decency to share some peer reviewed papers that actually have data proving your premise.

But of course no such papers exist, which is why unproven rhetoric is the last resort of the deluded.
What about the links in the article?

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...75_worldw.html

http://thurbersthoughts.blogspot.com...obamacare.html


http://www.mmm-online.com/stryker-la...rticle/247605/

http://nation.foxnews.com/obamacare/...ing-1000-china

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2012/oct/...pact-jobs-and/
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Now, of course OP isn't going to cite the rapid increase in employment over the next 4 weeks in the retail and service sector as a direct response to the President's re-election, is he?

That's the economy coming back! All the $8hr jobs you can swallow!
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Oh yes, please. Do you accept PayPal?

It never ceases to amaze me how the left picks at the most innocuous things in an attempt to make a point. But smuglies will be smuglies.
I'm not "the left." This may come as a shock but when someone doesn't agree with you that's doesn't make them "the left."

You attempted to paint these layoffs as being announced after the election. That was a lie.

No one disputes that companies are laying people off in anticipation of "Obamacare." Despite that, employment numbers continue to gain momentum.

Bottom line is the economy is slowly improving, companies lay people off for all kinds of reasons no matter how the economy is doing, and the sky is blue. I'm not a big fan of "Obamacare" but the way our healthcare system was going before wasn't working either.
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Seriously, medical device companies will no longer be able to sell the equivalent of $800 toilet seats to military and they have to right size accordingly.

Unfortunate workers who can only find part time work at Walmart, retailers, or restaurants, are the uglier side of capitalism (which we all benefit from, in terms of keeping inflation down).

These types of jobs will go to large pool of say youth wanting after school job, college students who want some spending money, seniors who want to supplement social security and their retirement investments if they have any, and in Hampton Roads area, it is going to be retired military (on pension?) and military wives who want to supplement spouse's military pay who will take these low paying jobs without benefits.

Not trying to use the word disparagingly, but unskilled workers are basically being understandably used as commodity item by businesses.

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Obama wanted a public option. Basically, medicare for everyone. It would have been an OPTION. you can keep the expensive insurance you have if you want, and all it would have been is real competition for all the bullshit plans currently out there.

why didnt it work that way? because the insurance companies lobbied against it. they wouldnt allow it, because they knew it would have cut into their profits. thats why we got the current obamacare we have now, which is nothing more then a blowjob to the insurance industry. its still better then what we had before (runaway insurance costs), but it all it really does is stop the mad inflation of premiums due to so many people who arent currently covered.

i am tired of people hating obama for doing the only thing he could. the reason obamacare is the way it is, is because the insurance industry is too greedy. focus your hate on the people who are the real cause of skyrocketing healthcare costs, PLEASE.
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Obama wanted a public option. Basically, medicare for everyone. It would have been an OPTION. you can keep the expensive insurance you have if you want, and all it would have been is real competition for all the bullshit plans currently out there.

why didnt it work that way? because the insurance companies lobbied against it. they wouldnt allow it, because they knew it would have cut into their profits. thats why we got the current obamacare we have now, which is nothing more then a blowjob to the insurance industry. its still better then what we had before (runaway insurance costs), but it all it really does is stop the mad inflation of premiums due to so many people who arent currently covered.

i am tired of people hating obama for doing the only thing he could. the reason obamacare is the way it is, is because the insurance industry is too greedy. focus your hate on the people who are the real cause of skyrocketing healthcare costs, PLEASE.
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There is an employer mandate that takes effect in 2014 which applies to all firms with 50 or more employees. If an employer fails to provide "qualifying health insurance", they will have to pay an tax fine for each employee. The tax is $2000 per employee and $3000 if an employee receives coverage through an exchange. If the employer has a waiting period to get into the plan, there is an additional tax of $400-$600.

Interestingly, all these penalties can be waived if you're friends with Nancy Pelosi.
I almost had wine come out my nose on that last sentence. Didn't see it coming a mile away.
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lol.

You tards are quite entertaining. One moment, Romney's "surging", has "momentum", has "large crowds", and is assured the Presidency as a result, polls and statistics be damned. Now suddenly a few companies lay off workers and it clearly must be Obamacare's fault, despite rich data suggesting the increasing cost of healthcare has rapidly decreased.

What, you think we forgot your shitty posts about a Romney victory? This shit is bumpable. Hide in shame, kids.
Put the pipe down. You sound upset that we've moved on and back to our usual dissing of Obama and his leadership. His remaining in office doesn't mean we suddenly want to get in the long, long line to toss his salad. Do you remember that he only won by a slim margin? 2.5% as the count stands currently.

I will do my best in the future to wait for the state approved media to issue the truth provided by the regime before I comment in the future but I can't make any promises.
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None of those are studies.

So other than pissed off medical devices companies using a convenient excuse to explain layoffs to fatten their bottom line, where is the money?
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Put the pipe down. You sound upset that we've moved on and back to our usual dissing of Obama and his leadership. His remaining in office doesn't mean we suddenly want to get in the long, long line to toss his salad. Do you remember that he only won by a slim margin? 2.5% as the count stands currently.

I will do my best in the future to wait for the state approved media to issue the truth provided by the regime before I comment in the future but I can't make any promises.
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Put the pipe down. You sound upset that we've moved on and back to our usual dissing of Obama and his leadership. His remaining in office doesn't mean we suddenly want to get in the long, long line to toss his salad. Do you remember that he only won by a slim margin? 2.5% as the count stands currently.
lol. Obama has been elected by a combined majority of 12.6M votes over 2 elections, over 3.1M in this election despite basically 8% average unemployment (oh, and people don't blame him for it, including many Repubs, because they remember when the shit hit the fan). Elected by 126 electoral votes this election and 318 electoral votes overall in the last 2 elections combined, despite arguably the most divided electorate in our history.

Sorry, kid, America doesn't want the stanky shit you're selling.

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