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Old 11-08-2012, 12:52 PM   #51
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isn't that the very definition of a fanboy? To ignore all logic and blindly follow their company for no reason.

I've said this before: apple's trying to litigate out all competition instead of innovating. Apple has stopped innovating and now they have to play catch up. They're losing market share to other great products so they're trying to stem their losses by suing everyone that comes up with anything that poses a threat.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:05 PM   #52
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isn't that the very definition of a fanboy? To ignore all logic and blindly follow their company for no reason.

I've said this before: apple's trying to litigate out all competition instead of innovating. Apple has stopped innovating and now they have to play catch up. They're losing market share to other great products so they're trying to stem their losses by suing everyone that comes up with anything that poses a threat.
And unfortunately Apple has a large patent library in this regard as they invented PDAs and tablets as we know them today.
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Old 11-08-2012, 02:38 PM   #53
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google makes android so its part of googles company,they are one and the same!
Awesome, so Then Google brand phones have 75% of the market?

No, they don't.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:14 PM   #54
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What's with all this twisting into pretzels rather than just admit the 75% figure was most-likely referring to Android marketshare? Google, along with every other company, has made huge pushes into the Chinese market which is poised to be among the most profitable in the world for obvious reasons of its sheer size potential. What sort of insanity says they "can't count that"?
It's fine to say that Android has 75% market share, but if you're trying to measure benefit to Google, then China probably doesn't count. Those Android devices use competing services for search, maps, etc. The Chinese market may very well be the most profitable market in the world at some point, but if Android phones sold in China don't use Google, Google isn't going to profit from it. How is that insanity?

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Sorry, but none of this makes any sense. He asked what was Google's marketshare of the world smartphone market. ONCE AGAIN: OS-wise, 75%
He's asking what share of the market Google devices have. They don't make any themselves, but most would probably count the Nexus devices since Google seems to be setting the price for them.

It comes down to what you're trying to count. In this case, I don't think he's after OS market share, which has become more apparently with some of his additional posts.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:45 PM   #55
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Pretty sure they did


a flat, clear, black-colored, rectangular front surface with four evenly rounded corners [emphasis mine];

an inset rectangular display screen centered on the front surface that leaves very narrow borders on either side of the display screen and substantial borders above and below the display screen; and

a rounded, horizontal speaker slot centered on the front surface above the display screen,

where the rectangular front surface is otherwise substantially free of ornamentation outside of an optional button area centrally located below the display."
That's fine but that is only applicable when used with the rest of the device.. you cant pick things out of that description and use them.. the patent is on the total look not the rounded corners themselves.

And pretty much every tablet/phone on the planet is using some forms of all that.

BTW Sue Nintendo too.. they use a Stylus on thier DS's

and MS.. which I'm sure would bite back and much harder... since Surface can use a Stylus..

and dont forget any of the old palms.. where does it end?

Screw Apple.. just die already.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:37 PM   #56
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It's fine to say that Android has 75% market share, but if you're trying to measure benefit to Google, then China probably doesn't count. Those Android devices use competing services for search, maps, etc. The Chinese market may very well be the most profitable market in the world at some point, but if Android phones sold in China don't use Google, Google isn't going to profit from it. How is that insanity?
You're simplifying things for the sake of an argument. Google along with every other big company is investing billions to get into the Chinese market. They're not doing it because they think they'll lose money. The entire US high end consumer market of roughly let's say 150 million (and that's probably overly-generous) could be duplicated in a small fraction of China.


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He's asking what share of the market Google devices have. They don't make any themselves, but most would probably count the Nexus devices since Google seems to be setting the price for them.
You both are grasping at straws with this hardware argument, ignoring 30+ years of computing history to do it.

How many devices running Windows did Microsoft need to actually make to be able to be profitable as a huge percentage of the global PC market? In the smartphone space, who is actually counting WP percentages of the market as strictly Microsoft-made devices? Did people ever seriously try and mount an argument that Apple never competed against Microsoft because MS didn't make the hardware? If so, it was a stupid argument.

It's long been established that scrapping in the mud for razor thin hardware profits in an ever-changing market is far less desirable than OS dominance.
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