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Old 11-04-2012, 07:17 PM   #51
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you havent been paying attention then. romney is the absolute worst politician in history when it comes to keeping stories straight. he is completely spineless, and totally void of any real ideas. obama isnt going to win this election, he is going to serve another term by default due to lack of competition.
right... I'm saying, by this point in the cycle, quotes like this are pointless because they're not going to change anyone's opinion of their team.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:19 AM   #52
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I'm not making any arguments that require it, the burden of proof is on HomerJS. I'm simply pointing out likely alternatives that the OP didn't account for when drawing his conclusion.

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I conclude that because it is the height of hypocrisy to protest in favor of the war and at the same seek a deferment. Then later say "I really wanted to go."

"Hold me back, hold me back. I really want to go and fight"

If you weren't willing to go yourself keep your mouth shut. He knew being a morman would get him out of the war so it is easy to pop up in public.

Most people would consider that cowardly.
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I conclude that because it is the height of hypocrisy to protest in favor of the war and at the same seek a deferment. Then later say "I really wanted to go."

"Hold me back, hold me back. I really want to go and fight"

If you weren't willing to go yourself keep your mouth shut. He knew being a morman would get him out of the war so it is easy to pop up in public.

Most people would consider that cowardly.
That is the problem I have with him. He was rather hawkish and pro war, but failed to enlist himself and instead took out a deferment to serve a mission. Then comes back after the fact saying he wanted to serve in the military. Unprincipled!!
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Well to be fair Obama COULDN'T have served in the military because he wasn't a citizen until his Presidential oath.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:58 AM   #55
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Well to be fair Obama COULDN'T have served in the military because he wasn't a citizen until his Presidential oath.
I heard he did fight in Vietnam, but for the Viet Cong.
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The bullshit never stops with this guy. Pro-war fortunate son Mitt took a convenient vacation to France during Vietnam, and now he has the balls to claim that he wanted to serve. You had the chance, Mitt... in fact, most men your age didn't have a choice at all. Mitt Romney has no loyalty to this country when it's inconvenient for him, that's the truth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/us...anted=all&_r=0
Oh you convinced me. It wasnt Romneys near identical positions on the economy, endless war, crushing of civil liberties, or being a liar like Obama. Him saying he wished to have served has now got me voting in Mickey Mouse over him.
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I heard he did fight in Vietnam, but for the Viet Cong.
Not so sure about that, but I do know he couldn't have served in the USA military. Funny how the commander in chief literally couldn't have served unless he was president.
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I suggest that Romney really really really did want to go to Vietnam but then he found out there were no job openings for General Of the Army or even a four star rank so he deferred.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:43 AM   #59
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I posted my reasoned response on this issue in another thread, but I thought I would chime in that the outrage by the raging hypocrites here is really precious.

Not a singe one of these outraged fools has served a single day in the military, much less in combat. Indeed, they willingly admit that they would do everything possible to avoid military service and have.

Yet they find, in their self righteous chest thumping, some false moral equivalent to those who actually do act on their beliefs, be they loyalty to faith or country or family.

Which should take precedence is not always apparent, but choosing one or more is more than worthy when so many make no such choice at all.

The typically leftist critics here themselves have no religious or moral faith, theirs is always the quickest insult to those who do.

They serve neither country nor cause, theirs is always the service to self, even to the point of being exemplars of cowardice when faced with personal risk.

They sit in front of their keyboards, joined in a cacophony of acrimonious comment, and think they do anything more than reveal their own hypocrisy.

The world is not a very clear cut place, each has to face many branches on the road of life, but the one clarity that comes from those screaming the loudest here is that they themselves have never chosen any difficult or inconvenient path and they are the first to try to tar others with their own faults.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:23 PM   #60
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I posted my reasoned response on this issue in another thread, but I thought I would chime in that the outrage by the raging hypocrites here is really precious.

Not a singe one of these outraged fools has served a single day in the military, much less in combat. Indeed, they willingly admit that they would do everything possible to avoid military service and have.

Yet they find, in their self righteous chest thumping, some false moral equivalent to those who actually do act on their beliefs, be they loyalty to faith or country or family.

Which should take precedence is not always apparent, but choosing one or more is more than worthy when so many make no such choice at all.

The typically leftist critics here themselves have no religious or moral faith, theirs is always the quickest insult to those who do.

They serve neither country nor cause, theirs is always the service to self, even to the point of being exemplars of cowardice when faced with personal risk.

They sit in front of their keyboards, joined in a cacophony of acrimonious comment, and think they do anything more than reveal their own hypocrisy.

The world is not a very clear cut place, each has to face many branches on the road of life, but the one clarity that comes from those screaming the loudest here is that they themselves have never chosen any difficult or inconvenient path and they are the first to try to tar others with their own faults.

Lol now that was a funny post! Were you trying to see how hypocritical you could be in one single post? I think you set a new record!


Lol that was a good one.
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I posted my reasoned response on this issue in another thread, but I thought I would chime in that the outrage by the raging hypocrites here is really precious.

Not a singe one of these outraged fools has served a single day in the military, much less in combat. Indeed, they willingly admit that they would do everything possible to avoid military service and have.

Yet they find, in their self righteous chest thumping, some false moral equivalent to those who actually do act on their beliefs, be they loyalty to faith or country or family.

Which should take precedence is not always apparent, but choosing one or more is more than worthy when so many make no such choice at all.

The typically leftist critics here themselves have no religious or moral faith, theirs is always the quickest insult to those who do.

They serve neither country nor cause, theirs is always the service to self, even to the point of being exemplars of cowardice when faced with personal risk.

They sit in front of their keyboards, joined in a cacophony of acrimonious comment, and think they do anything more than reveal their own hypocrisy.

The world is not a very clear cut place, each has to face many branches on the road of life, but the one clarity that comes from those screaming the loudest here is that they themselves have never chosen any difficult or inconvenient path and they are the first to try to tar others with their own faults.
Enlisted during Desert Shield, did basic training during Desert Storm .... served 5 years active duty Army ....

Again ... Romney is on record from his college days as a pro war hawk, he went as far as demonstrating for the war, yet took a deferment for a Mormon mission, yet still plays the wish I had served in the military card. Who is the hypocrite?
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I posted my reasoned response on this issue in another thread, but I thought I would chime in that the outrage by the raging hypocrites here is really precious.

Not a singe one of these outraged fools has served a single day in the military, much less in combat. Indeed, they willingly admit that they would do everything possible to avoid military service and have.

Yet they find, in their self righteous chest thumping, some false moral equivalent to those who actually do act on their beliefs, be they loyalty to faith or country or family.

Which should take precedence is not always apparent, but choosing one or more is more than worthy when so many make no such choice at all.

The typically leftist critics here themselves have no religious or moral faith, theirs is always the quickest insult to those who do.

They serve neither country nor cause, theirs is always the service to self, even to the point of being exemplars of cowardice when faced with personal risk.

They sit in front of their keyboards, joined in a cacophony of acrimonious comment, and think they do anything more than reveal their own hypocrisy.

The world is not a very clear cut place, each has to face many branches on the road of life, but the one clarity that comes from those screaming the loudest here is that they themselves have never chosen any difficult or inconvenient path and they are the first to try to tar others with their own faults.
Lets see;

Joined the Army in 1999, did 3 tours overseas (one of which was the invasion), still serving in uniform. I lost 3 good friends in the war, I have been shot at, blown up, spit at, embraced, burned shit, scared shitless, cried, etc.

Romney is a piece of shit.
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Lol, are you for real?



He said he had thoughts of joining the military when he was having a hard time. That's hardly an uncommon thought process. I seriously considered enlisting in the military when my life was sucking just a few years ago. But I decided to do other things instead. The only difference mentioned in that article between Mr. Romney's situation and mine was that a draft was going on, and instead of simply choosing not to serve he had to get a deferment, which he did.


So either:
1. You suck at reading comprehension or
2. You don't believe in draft deferments for students and missionaries or
3. You're bald-faced lying to get your guy in the white house.

In any case, you obviously love quoting things out of context, then have the nerve to cite a source which includes said context.
Thread could've ended with this reply. Obviously the OP is a partisan moron or has some born-in hatred for Romney. If not, I invite you to actually fucking think.
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Thread could've ended with this reply. Obviously the OP is a partisan moron or has some born-in hatred for Romney. If not, I invite you to actually fucking think.
Romney no.

Hypocritical opportunists, yes.
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Lets see;

Joined the Army in 1999, did 3 tours oversees (one of which was the invasion), still serving in uniform. I lost 3 good friends in the war, I have been shot at, blown up, spit at, embraced, burned shit, scared shitless, cried, etc.

Romney is a piece of shit.
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Enlisted during Desert Shield, did basic training during Desert Storm .... served 5 years active duty Army ....

Again ... Romney is on record from his college days as a pro war hawk, he went as far as demonstrating for the war, yet took a deferment for a Mormon mission, yet still plays the wish I had served in the military card. Who is the hypocrite?

Thank you Gentlemen, your service is appriciated.
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The bullshit never stops with this guy.
Can I ask you something?

Do you think that bullshit ever stops with ANY politician?

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Lets see;

Joined the Army in 1999, did 3 tours overseas (one of which was the invasion), still serving in uniform. I lost 3 good friends in the war, I have been shot at, blown up, spit at, embraced, burned shit, scared shitless, cried, etc.

Romney is a piece of shit.
Why do you continue to serve and why do you think Obama is so much better than Romney would be as a Commander-In-Chief?
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Enlisted during Desert Shield, did basic training during Desert Storm .... served 5 years active duty Army ....
Why did you enlist and why do you think Obama is so much better than Romney would be as a Commander-In-Chief?
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Why do you continue to serve and why do you think Obama is so much better than Romney would be as a Commander-In-Chief?
Before I even answer that did you serve?
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Before I even answer that did you serve?
12+ years, US Army Reserve commissioned, started off in mech infantry and then very quickly got moved to airborne infantry platoon leadership and company commands, almost all assignments were with XVIII Airborne Corps subordinate units including 82d ABN and 101st ABN (AASLT), green tabber from mid-70's to the end of the '80s. Finished up with three years in civil affairs (ABN) supporting 10th SF and 82nd ABN worldwide missions.
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12+ years, US Army Reserve commissioned, started off in mech infantry and then very quickly got moved to airborne infantry platoon leadership and company commands, almost all assignments were with XVIII Airborne Corps subordinate units including 82d ABN and 101st ABN (AASLT), green tabber from mid-70's to the end of the '80s. Finished up with three years in civil affairs (ABN) supporting 10th SF and 82nd ABN worldwide missions.
I'll leave the weekend warrior shit at the door, but I'll assume since you were an officer you are aware of LDRSHIP.

Loyalty - Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, the Army, your unit and other Soldiers.
Duty - Fulfill your obligations.
Respect - Treat people as they should be treated.
Selfless Service - Put the welfare of the nation, the Army, and your subordinates before your own.
Honor - Live up to all the Army values.
Integrity - Do what’s right, legally and morally.
Personal Courage - Face fear, danger, or adversity

I bolded the parts in which Mitt Romney is severely flawed (notice it's all bolded), but specifically Duty and Respect.

Why do I think Obama is a better Commander in Chief than Romney ever could be? For starters he is using Diplomacy first. He is trying not to get our young men and women killed for nothing all the while still taking the fight to our enemies.

He understands the war we are fighting, he knows we do not need a million man army to kill Arabs. He is honestly trying to end these conflicts in some fashion, and if Iran comes to blows I do not believe he would put boots on the ground unlike Romney.

Romney surrounds himself with the same people who said Iraq would be easy, that they had WMDs and we needed to go to war for the sake of freedom. The whole time during the primaries his voice was constant, his rhetoric plainly said. Then, on National TV, he agrees with EVERY SINGLE THING President Obama said about foreign policy.

I may not agree with much of anything with Obamas domestic policy, or even some of his foreign policy (why did we fuck with Lybia again?) but at least I know where he stands. With Romney I have absolutely no idea, not because I am ignorant of who he is, but because he as told me several different things at different times.

I just don't forget.
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Mainly for work, but also to serve my country. Obama seems to have a better handle than Bush II when it comes to invading other countries. At least Bush I understood it would be a bad thing to do a full invasion of Iraq. I get the feeling Romney will do whatever the Military Industrial Complex / contractors would like to make $$, which means invading a country like Iran. Bush II and Cheney had no respect for the troops and I feel Romney would do the same. I much better like Obama's approach of strike from a distance, use special forces, or use tech to take out the terrorists. Some would argue about the collateral damage, but I would ask how many innocent people died in Iraq from 2003 - 2011 vs those who died in drone strikes under Obama. Obama also seems on track for getting us out of the region, I get the feeling Romney will stay if not expand (Iran).
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Is Vietnam the largest war we've ever fought for which no veterans have served as President? I wonder which is the second largest? I think it speaks to the stock from which we pick our leaders, with now two Harvard Law grads running against one eachother.
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I posted my reasoned response on this issue in another thread, but I thought I would chime in that the outrage by the raging hypocrites here is really precious.

Not a singe one of these outraged fools has served a single day in the military, much less in combat. Indeed, they willingly admit that they would do everything possible to avoid military service and have.

Yet they find, in their self righteous chest thumping, some false moral equivalent to those who actually do act on their beliefs, be they loyalty to faith or country or family.

Which should take precedence is not always apparent, but choosing one or more is more than worthy when so many make no such choice at all.

The typically leftist critics here themselves have no religious or moral faith, theirs is always the quickest insult to those who do.

They serve neither country nor cause, theirs is always the service to self, even to the point of being exemplars of cowardice when faced with personal risk.

They sit in front of their keyboards, joined in a cacophony of acrimonious comment, and think they do anything more than reveal their own hypocrisy.

The world is not a very clear cut place, each has to face many branches on the road of life, but the one clarity that comes from those screaming the loudest here is that they themselves have never chosen any difficult or inconvenient path and they are the first to try to tar others with their own faults.
Clearly someone like Romney who protested FOR the Vietnam war and dodged it by 'serving as a missionary in France' has the moral high ground.
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What's the big deal here? I see no problem with Romney supporting the war but not wanting to serve.

Both rich and poor people have their roles to play in society. It would be a waste for someone of Romney's stature to go die in Vietnam.
If your fucked up religion is worth dying for .... By all means! You first!

Romney is such a tool... I can't believe the die hard right wingers here posting on his behalf. It's just ewww... How can you stand up for him after his actions?

Romney's Stature? Come on... Tell us ... What stature is that??? To lie and cheat people out of their hard earned cash by sending jobs over seas and bankrupting business's? Wow! Now that's a quality person I want to vote for!

To bad the fuck just didn't go and die.... Save us all some time....

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