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Old 11-05-2012, 12:45 PM   #26
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Good thing they fought the cold war to protect your candy ass.
How exactly did they fight the cold war???
Did they hand out parkas and cold weather clothing???
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:46 PM   #27
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It is a truism that we are know by the company we keep.

So it is with endorsements in a political campaign. Some are held close, others are distanced.

It is striking that endorsements from military leaders are running 100-1 in Romney's favor.

Haven't all of these military leaders heard that Obama killed Osama?
Donald Trump also endorses Romney and appeared on stage with him. Kinda blows your theory up.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:46 PM   #28
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All retired. And all of them put together carry less weight than Powell's endorsement.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:48 PM   #29
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All retired. And all of them put together carry less weight than Powell's endorsement.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:53 PM   #30
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I googled the last name just for the hell of it:

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Admiral Smith retired from the United States Navy on 1 October 1996. He is currently serving as a Senior Fellow at the Center for Naval Analyses, is President of Leighton Smith Associates and Vice President of Global Perspectives, Inc., both international consulting firms. He is Chairman of the Naval Aviation Museum Foundation, immediate past Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the U. S. Naval Academy Alumni Association and serves on the Executive Committee of the Association of Naval Aviation. He is also on the National Advisory Council to the Navy League and is a member of the Board of Directors of several corporations.

Smith was a supporter of Presidential candidate John McCain during the 2008 United States Presidential Election. Smith spoke out in defense of McCain after critical comments from General Wesley Clark regarding McCain's military experience. [1]. Prior to his retirement, Smith had previously served alongside General Clark for several years during the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Admiral Smith is one of the senior signatories of the March 31, 2009 letter urging the president to maintain the policy excluding homosexuals from the armed forces.[4]

Yeah I'm sure he wants the best man for the job and isn't endorsing the man most likely not to cut federal spending for which his consulting firm relies on.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cente...yses#section_1


Or maybe it's just because him and Romney both hate teh gays. /s
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:54 PM   #31
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As stated above, active serving military are restricted from much of what others can do politically.

The DOD directive is here - Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces

Funny, but not surprising, that the thread is going the way of criticizing officers that had 20 - 30 years of distinguished, honorable leadership in national service for holding equally honorable and distinguished civilian leadership jobs after retirement.

Perhaps you would be impressed if they were community organizers for ACORN? After all, that was the experience most valued by Obama supporters four years ago. Still is, now that I think of it.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:59 PM   #32
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Military officers tend to have right of center political views? Surprise surprise.
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Terrance Dake is the Senior Advisor to the Chief Executive Officer of Aviall Services Inc., "a provider of aftermarket supply-chain management services for the aerospace, defense and marine industries. General Dake is a major part of Aviall's movement into the U.S. Government market, providing supply chain management functions to the U.S. military and other government agencies. Before coming to Aviall Services Inc., General Dake was the Senior Vice President for U.S. Government and International Military Programs at Bell Helicopter, Textron. That business unit, one of two profit centers at Bell Helicopter, had revenues in excess of $900 million."

James O. Ellis is a Director at the Lockheed Martin Corporation.

Ronald R. Fogleman "currently has a seat of Boards of Directors of Alliant Techsystems, AAR Corporation, Mesa Air Group, Inc., and World Air Holdings, Inc. Alliant Techsystems Inc., most commonly known by its ticker symbol, NYSE: ATK, is one of the largest aerospace and defense companies in the United States with more than 18,000 employees in 22 states, Puerto Rico and internationally, and 2010 revenues in excess of an estimated US$4.8 billion."

Tommy Franks... Well, he endorsed Bush in 2004. What more do you want?

Alfred G. Hansen was President and Chief Operating Officer of EMS Technologies, "a subsidiary of Honeywell International since August 22, 2011, was formerly an independent Atlanta-based company with approximately $290 million in annual sales revenue. EMS-T specializes in wireless, defense, and space communications systems. Among its products, it offers electronic counter-countermeasures for communications satellites, and airborne communications, for which it holds a 90% stake in military applications, such as Air Force One."

Thomas B. Hayward signed the infamous letter urging Obama not to repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

Chuck Albert Horner co-wrote Every Man a Tiger with Tom Clancy, an absolutely horrid book. (Not in terms of bigotry, it simply is really poorly written.) That, for anyone, should be the final straw.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:38 PM   #34
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As stated above, active serving military are restricted from much of what others can do politically.

The DOD directive is here - Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces

Funny, but not surprising, that the thread is going the way of criticizing officers that had 20 - 30 years of distinguished, honorable leadership in national service for holding equally honorable and distinguished civilian leadership jobs after retirement.

Perhaps you would be impressed if they were community organizers for ACORN? After all, that was the experience most valued by Obama supporters four years ago. Still is, now that I think of it.
So you would be critical of an ACORN endorsement but not critical of an endorsement like this? Why because they served in the military and are above their own self interests?

You are either a hypocrite or a fool (or both). Critical thinking obviously isn't your string suit.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:41 PM   #35
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Nope, just having fun with the passle of ignorant lefties that don't know shit about history. No anger or outrage.
You still don't have a leg to stand on, and while I respect my elders I most certainly believe their "endorsement" means jack shit. 100% of them are from a pre 9/11 time period, with old ways of thinking. Even in '99 when I was going through Basic they were telling me the military is smarter, leaner and a hell of a lot more deadly.

I'm career army and will tell you straight up we need a smaller more agile force to fight in the 21'st century. This is exactly why the Army at least has been transitioning the force for almost a decade now.
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Good thing they fought the cold war to protect your candy ass.
Cold war was a NON EVENT. Who cares about who "fought" in it.
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James B. Busey was until recently on the board of directors for the Curtiss-Wright Corporation, "the largest aircraft manufacturer in the United States at the end of World War II, but has evolved to largely become a component manufacturer, specializing in actuators, aircraft controls, valves, and metal treatment."

James T. Conway is on the board of directors for Textron, "an American industrial conglomerate that includes Bell Helicopter, Cessna Aircraft Company, and Greenlee, among others. With total revenues of $11.3 billion, and approximately 32,000 employees in 29 countries, Textron is currently ranked 236th in the 2012 issue of the Fortune 500, a list that ranks the largest companies in the United States."

Those were the two first names on Romney's list. Now certainly board membership does not equal nefarious intent, but the current employment status of all of these men and women might warrant a look to understand the bias at play.

Ha I came in just to ask how many of these people work or get paid from "contractors" that get Fed Money.
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Most any star above 1 goes to work for a government contractor in one way or another
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Cold war was a NON EVENT. Who cares about who "fought" in it.
Those that died in it.
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I respect their service to our country, but it's still fair to point out that

- They will benefit from Romney's plan for deficit-based spending increases, and in some cases from his tax policy.
- Most of them have been voting for Republican presidential candidates for decades.

This is similar to saying "500 union leaders endorse Obama". Of course they do.
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At least Romney gets what he pays for some of the time.
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to be fair, there are legitimate criticisms of the endorsements of such generals, but to call the Cold War a "non event," and to simply disparage what went on during those highly tense 4 decades of "pending doom," --the very real, very near misses, the deaths on both sides to keep the world from annihilating itself--is completely asinine.

I suggest the naysayers read up on much of the now declassified documents to come out of that era, and the type of espionage, negotiations, and countless "non-events" that no one outside of the upper echelons of government were ever aware of.

Let alone, the on-going civil rights violations--imprisonment, murder, torture, etc--of all the countries occupied, partly due to our unwillingness to pressure our Soviet Allies into backing down, thus earning a rather negative reputation as having abandoned many of these nations to a fate worse than death for so many decades.
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Terrance Dake is the Senior Advisor to the Chief Executive Officer of Aviall Services Inc., "a provider of aftermarket supply-chain management services for the aerospace, defense and marine industries. General Dake is a major part of Aviall's movement into the U.S. Government market, providing supply chain management functions to the U.S. military and other government agencies. Before coming to Aviall Services Inc., General Dake was the Senior Vice President for U.S. Government and International Military Programs at Bell Helicopter, Textron. That business unit, one of two profit centers at Bell Helicopter, had revenues in excess of $900 million."

James O. Ellis is a Director at the Lockheed Martin Corporation.

Ronald R. Fogleman "currently has a seat of Boards of Directors of Alliant Techsystems, AAR Corporation, Mesa Air Group, Inc., and World Air Holdings, Inc. Alliant Techsystems Inc., most commonly known by its ticker symbol, NYSE: ATK, is one of the largest aerospace and defense companies in the United States with more than 18,000 employees in 22 states, Puerto Rico and internationally, and 2010 revenues in excess of an estimated US$4.8 billion."

Tommy Franks... Well, he endorsed Bush in 2004. What more do you want?

Alfred G. Hansen was President and Chief Operating Officer of EMS Technologies, "a subsidiary of Honeywell International since August 22, 2011, was formerly an independent Atlanta-based company with approximately $290 million in annual sales revenue. EMS-T specializes in wireless, defense, and space communications systems. Among its products, it offers electronic counter-countermeasures for communications satellites, and airborne communications, for which it holds a 90% stake in military applications, such as Air Force One."

Thomas B. Hayward signed the infamous letter urging Obama not to repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

Chuck Albert Horner co-wrote Every Man a Tiger with Tom Clancy, an absolutely horrid book. (Not in terms of bigotry, it simply is really poorly written.) That, for anyone, should be the final straw.

LOL....pblabber gets owned on another one of his patented wall of text op-eds that he tries to pass of as fact.

So, that makes it like the hundredth time at least that this has happened?
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All retired. And all of them put together carry less weight than Powell's endorsement.

Cold hard truth.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Bill Boykin (and others like him) are on that list, so um, yeah...complete shock they wouldn't endorse a candidate not drinking the GOP Koolaid. Stunning.
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You don't 'fight' a cold war you fucking moron.
hahahha, Nice Phokus.
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I googled the last name just for the hell of it:




Yeah I'm sure he wants the best man for the job and isn't endorsing the man most likely not to cut federal spending for which his consulting firm relies on.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cente...yses#section_1


Or maybe it's just because him and Romney both hate teh gays. /s
A bunch of senile old coots really. It's all laid out plainly when you see someone endorsing a candidate with Sarah Palin as a running mate, lol.
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Wow, you mean the military that Romney wants to increase the size/funding of supports him?

Unbelievable, who'd da thunk that..?
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This just in - people working in a field Romney promised 2 trillion dollars to endorse him. Shocking.
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More importantly, what is the big deal about 500 retired military personnel endorsing a candidate? Does being in the military make them more knowledgeable of politics than any other American?

I respect these guys for their service to their country, but I'm also pretty sure half of these guys are crazy tea-party supporters just as well.
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LOL....pblabber gets owned on another one of his patented wall of text op-eds that he tries to pass of as fact.

So, that makes it like the hundredth time at least that this has happened?
Ownage not found. Just like in the hundreds of other attempts that have been made. Lift your blinders and see the truth!

Fact is, Obama has literally a handful of endorsements from the senior military that have chosen to play in this arena, and those endorsements seem for reasons other than Obama's purported sense of foreign policy and defense "expertise."

Romney, having not even been the Commander-In-Chief, has vastly more endorsements. That is cold, hard fact.

Why would someone endorse?

Someone is in business, they know that if their man loses, they will too, and often very big bucks. So most businessmen play it safe, even give to both sides, go to both R and D dinners, etc.

The military guys tend to stay military, however. They cannot just leave behind the lives they led in service to the country. They are much less likely to make a cynical ploy as is argued above. They actually do love the country they devoted their lives to. This love sustains them now as it did when their lives were on the line.

If they are now in a senior position in business, all they have to do is be silent and watch the election play out. Neutral, uncommitted - that is the safe game to be played.

Now, a day before the election, a supposedly very close and uncertain election, these guys have risked their reputations and their livelihoods to endorse Romney.

The "progressives" and the lefties and the re-distributionists that post here despise the military and what it represents - the defense of a nation they do not understand and a nation that has rejected their false utopianism time and again. Those who spat on troops returning from every modern conflict have not changed their tune, have they?

So, as before, they attack the messengers and ignore the message.

Tomorrow we will see how many agree with the generals and the admirals and the business owners and the housewives and the millions who know that Romney is a much better choice for the next four years.

Until then, we might consider that the courage of those who have served continues on...
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