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Old 11-04-2012, 09:48 PM   #176
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You should try one. They are nice and the HD movies are surprisingly affordable on bittorrent.
Nah. I watch very little video. I also don't care much about HD. If I can tell what's going on, I'm happy with the image quality. Not having a TV also leads to fun interactions. I was watching my daughter's sister one day(no relation to me), and the first thing she noticed was the lack of TV. The WTF?! look on her face was priceless when I told her I didn't have TV :^D Did her good anyway. The TV induced brain rot was already setting in, so the break was therapeutic :^D
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Old 11-04-2012, 09:52 PM   #177
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Waiters are usually one of the most highly paid workers in a restaurant, higher than the chef even. Most take home 40 to 60 K a year after tip here, in really nice places you take home over 100,000 a year. It really is a job to feed a family of 4.
I think that's one of the things in this country that attracts so many people all over the world. One of my rental properties is rented by a bar attender, its a 1850 sqft 3 bed house i a pretty decent neighborhood, his wife does not work and he has 2 kids, 1 and 4. Its unthinkable in other countries, that a waiter or similar would live in the same neighborhood with white collar people. Not tipping is in a small way destroying the way of life in America.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:06 PM   #178
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They should be able to post the pictures of people like this on the wall of restaurants like they used to do with those who passed bad cheques, so then you can turn them away at the door. Damn deadbeat cheapskates.

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some have done this down here. The chinese place I worked for as a teen would ban non-tippers until they came in and paid the driver. They were very good and popular. Sadly the economy crisis took them out. 20 years later when their rent went insane.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:33 AM   #179
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This right here pretty much sums up the problem (although much more drastic then most places).

Really, management just needs to grow a backbone. I don't buy into the whole "better tip = better service" bit. Every other service based operation (I should know, I run a $45M big box) sets a standard for service, and holds accountable for performance. If I witnessed the above mentioned behavior, I'd be terminating or having charges pressed... and guess what? Given a few months, suddenly either everyone would be providing great customer service, or be unemployed.

Also, people in the industry need to understand that being "hard" doesn't mean you should be bringing home $40k+ a year. As mentioned several times in this post, waitresses/waiters make well above minimum wage and yet still complain about it. I really don't understand this mentality at all.
That's because you have it backwards. Good service = good tip.

If a server does their job efficiently, pleasantly, and well, they deserve to be compensated for that. Yes, it's their job. But their base wage (whether it be a tip wage or minimum wage or any other wage) is the same as the shitty server that works at the same place, and I don't believe that compensation should be equal across the board just because their job is the same. The good server should be better compensated.

For that reason, I tip good service 20-30% and I tip bad service 5-10%. But I always tip. A bad tip says more about what I think of the person's service than no tip at all. A bad tip says "I tip, but I didn't feel you were worth more than 5%" whereas no tip just says "I'm a cheapskate."

To the lady in the OP, there's no reason. If you can afford to have a $140 meal, you can afford to tip the person who brought it to you. If you can't, then you shouldn't be going out to a $140/meal restaurant.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:52 AM   #180
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Yea, and those people serving your food go "home" to lean-to's and eat rice.
Err, what?
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:43 AM   #181
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Where the fuck do you live and have you ever actually seen their tax statement?
He's a retard that thinks the 80 houses that burned in Queens wasn't due to Hurricane Sandy. If it was such a high-paying job, why aren't more people looking to be waiters/waitresses?

And to have to deal with all of the asshats in the world, including here, the position should pay more than minimum wage.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:14 AM   #182
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I over tip, but I don't get the whole concept.

There must be some massive lobby groups in DC to have dreamed up the restaurant industry. You have restaurant owners making buckets of cash because they don't even have to pay minimum wage to their wait staff. Somehow the person that cooked your food doesn't get a tip, yet the person who took the order and served it does. And if your food sucked you tend to tip less yet it's not the server's fault that it sucked.

So how come we don't tip McDonald's employees? They do the same thing as a waiter/waitress...
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:24 AM   #183
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I over tip, but I don't get the whole concept.

There must be some massive lobby groups in DC to have dreamed up the restaurant industry. You have restaurant owners making buckets of cash because they don't even have to pay minimum wage to their wait staff. Somehow the person that cooked your food doesn't get a tip, yet the person who took the order and served it does. And if your food sucked you tend to tip less yet it's not the server's fault that it sucked.

So how come we don't tip McDonald's employees? They do the same thing as a waiter/waitress...
I wouldn't work for less than $25 / hr average and often make more. If bars had to play employees that, prices would skyrocket
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:25 AM   #184
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And if you just say that someone else would do it for cheaper, service would plummet.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:42 AM   #185
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Where the fuck do you live and have you ever actually seen their tax statement?
I live in California, one of the poorer parts too. I know people who use to do waiting. Most here make around $8 to 10 an hour starting, $8 is the minimum according to the law, and most make $20 to $30 an hour in tips.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:48 AM   #186
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And if you just say that someone else would do it for cheaper, service would plummet.
I highly doubt it. Sorry Bill, but $25/hr as a bartender is just insane. Anybody who isn't half retarded can quickly get people their beverages. Same applies to food. This is a job that doesn't even require communication skills, just say "what can I get you" and get it for them.
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Hahahaha so clueless dude. Kinda hilarious.
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Old 11-05-2012, 03:03 AM   #188
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You either never go out or are socially awkward if you can't even remotely distinguish levels of service. I make a TON of money by talking, having personality, establishing regulars, etc etc. Hell, even if you look at beer venders at the park. They sell one or two products and I 100 percent guarantee that there is a significant difference in how much they make from vendor to vendor.
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Old 11-05-2012, 03:04 AM   #189
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$40/hr is my real goal though. I made $550 in a 10 hr shift on Saturday, plus my $4.10 an hour.
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Old 11-05-2012, 03:06 AM   #190
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He's a retard that thinks the 80 houses that burned in Queens wasn't due to Hurricane Sandy. If it was such a high-paying job, why aren't more people looking to be waiters/waitresses?

And to have to deal with all of the asshats in the world, including here, the position should pay more than minimum wage.


Many people are looking to do this job, but there are number of negatives for it too.

1. Lack of growth potential.
2. Bad hours, you don't always get the greatest work hours.
3. Lack of decent benefits.
4. A lot of stress making sure you get everything right, and rude customers.

The people I know only did it for temporary side income or to get by until they found a more permanent job.
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Many people are looking to do this job, but there are number of negatives for it too.

1. Lack of growth potential.
2. Bad hours, you don't always get the greatest work hours.
3. Lack of decent benefits.
4. A lot of stress making sure you get everything right, and rude customers.

The people I know only did it for temporary side income or to get by until they found a more permanent job.
Growth isn't entirely true. In fact, most successful industry want to avoid management at all cost until they are burned out on the lifestyle. The hours and lack of benefits suck but you get used to it. The last part is kinda true, but hell, I've been to war twice, not much stresses me out except for working with shitty staff. Even that doesn't bother me because they don't last at a place like mine.
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Old 11-05-2012, 03:20 AM   #192
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Bill is spot on. Simply handing someone food or drink is the bare minimum. People don't go out to simply eat or drink, it's an experience, a total package including the service and everything the service entails. That's why I said earlier automatic tipping is for dumb people who can't judge if what they have experienced is good or bad.
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Old 11-05-2012, 03:28 AM   #193
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This is how tipping should be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1ZZWhSvOMI
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Bill is spot on. Simply handing someone food or drink is the bare minimum. People don't go out to simply eat or drink, it's an experience, a total package including the service and everything the service entails. That's why I said earlier automatic tipping is for dumb people who can't judge if what they have experienced is good or bad.
The 'experience' is the socialising side of things with family and friends. The waiter/waitresses aren't part of that, there's no need for them to do anything other than the minimum.

All that's needed is for them to take the order, deliver the order promptly and maybe ask if things are okay partway through the meal.

There are countries that don't have a culture of tipping that manage this fine. If every other industry can manage without tipping, then so can the restaurant industry.
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The 'experience' is the socialising side of things with family and friends. The waiter/waitresses aren't part of that, there's no need for them to do anything other than the minimum.

All that's needed is for them to take the order, deliver the order promptly and maybe ask if things are okay partway through the meal.

There are countries that don't have a culture of tipping that manage this fine. If every other industry can manage without tipping, then so can the restaurant industry.
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I over tip, but I don't get the whole concept.

There must be some massive lobby groups in DC to have dreamed up the restaurant industry. You have restaurant owners making buckets of cash because they don't even have to pay minimum wage to their wait staff. Somehow the person that cooked your food doesn't get a tip, yet the person who took the order and served it does. And if your food sucked you tend to tip less yet it's not the server's fault that it sucked.

So how come we don't tip McDonald's employees? They do the same thing as a waiter/waitress...
I doubt many of them make buckets of cash.
85% of all restaurants fail.
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Even more than that, you felt good about giving the tip for good service. Now you feel like you better give 15% or risk getting "the look" from them.
Fuck the look, I dont want people pissing in my food, which (according to this thread) is pretty fucking regular.
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Maybe the Single Mom is the tip?
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:40 AM   #199
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He's a retard that thinks the 80 houses that burned in Queens wasn't due to Hurricane Sandy. If it was such a high-paying job, why aren't more people looking to be waiters/waitresses?
Because working as a waiter or waitress involves actual work, not sitting in front of a computer and dicking around on facebook for six hours a day.
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Are we 100% sure gratuity wasn't already added to the bill? $140 could easily mean 6+ people.
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