Ivy Bridge or wait for Haswell

[ehume]

And after you buy that new GPU, get an SSD. Only after you have upgraded those two will you know if you even need to upgrade your CPU.

Getting an SSD is like going from dial-up to cable.

[cytg111]

Originally Posted by ehume

And after you buy that new GPU, get an SSD. Only after you have upgraded those two will you know if you even need to upgrade your CPU.

Getting an SSD is like going from dial-up to cable.

For a budget gamer? Forget it. Wont bring him more fps. SSD's are a luxury .. a damned fine one, but none the less a luxury.

[2is]

Originally Posted by cytg111

For a budget gamer? Forget it. Wont bring him more fps. SSD's are a luxury .. a damned fine one, but none the less a luxury.

Agreed, if you're goal is in-game performance, SSD should be the last item on the list behind CPU/GPU. If you're looking for overall system snappiness, it should be 1st on the list.

[Ferzerp]

Haswell is a complete unknown. You can always use this argument when buying PC gear, but until a product is out, any performance estimates are speculation.

Intel *could* pull another Netburst. It isn't likely, but it is possible. If IB is worth the price to you today, if it were me, I'd go ahead and buy.

[Shephard]

ok Ferzerp that is a very good point. Like I said I would have to wait for good motherboards to come out and see the reviews as well. So it could be 8 months or more.

My only thing against Ivy Bridge is that it's the last CPU for that socket.

What suggestions do you guys have for video card, case, and power supply.

I know CPU 3570k is good. I also know Samsung low voltage 8 gb ram is the best.

Also Hyper 212 Evo is best cooler.

also how long is the Black Friday and is the Cybermonday cheaper?

thanks all

[2is]

Black Friday is one day (Friday after thanksgiving) cyber Monday is also one day (Monday after thanks giving) prices are comparable but Black Friday is usuall a little bigger as far as the variety of items. That said, there will be good deal all the way through to New Years.

[Shephard]

you mean everyday there will be sales? or just Friday, Monday, and what other days specifically?

also I forgot motherboard. I think the most popular is asrock z77 extreme 4 but others have said MSI makes the best z77 now.

[magomago]

I wouldn't wait. Once Haswell comes, people will say to wait for Broadwell. From all indications - Haswell may give you another 10% or so, but the big draw is that it draws less power. This is a boon for laptops, but the relevance is somewhat muted for Desktop PCs. IT sounds like you are building a Desktop PC, so consider that.

If you find an awesome price/bundle on a 3570k, then you should absolutely jump for that. Here another way of looking at it:

Waiting for Haswell
PRO+ Get maybe 10% IPC
CON- Wait half a year (assuming no delays) where you could be gaming
CON- Probably pay a little more since bundles won't be guaranteed


Seems really straight forward. Even if you only save 40 bucks on a bundle, I feel its irrelevent when compared to the fact that you'll be waiting for another 6 months.

What I would also do for sure is get a videocard.

[cytg111]

Originally Posted by magomago

I wouldn't wait. Once Haswell comes, people will say to wait for Broadwell. From all indications - Haswell may give you another 10% or so, but the big draw is that it draws less power. This is a boon for laptops, but the relevance is somewhat muted for Desktop PCs. IT sounds like you are building a Desktop PC, so consider that.

If you find an awesome price/bundle on a 3570k, then you should absolutely jump for that. Here another way of looking at it:

Waiting for Haswell
PRO+ Get maybe 10% IPC
CON- Wait half a year (assuming no delays) where you could be gaming
CON- Probably pay a little more since bundles won't be guaranteed


Seems really straight forward. Even if you only save 40 bucks on a bundle, I feel its irrelevent when compared to the fact that you'll be waiting for another 6 months.

What I would also do for sure is get a videocard.

Right on the money.
I am waiting for haswell cause I am curious as to what TX brings to my table (doing concurrent code stuff), maybe even avx2, so it's a special boat to be in.. and unless you find your self with those special needs/curiosities .. dont dwell on it, get IVB now.

[2is]

Originally Posted by Shephard

you mean everyday there will be sales? or just Friday, Monday, and what other days specifically?

also I forgot motherboard. I think the most popular is asrock z77 extreme 4 but others have said MSI makes the best z77 now.

Friday and Monday specifically but there will be other sales through out the rest of the year just by it being the holiday season.

[magomago]

Originally Posted by cytg111

Right on the money.
I am waiting for haswell cause I am curious as to what TX brings to my table (doing concurrent code stuff), maybe even avx2, so it's a special boat to be in.. and unless you find your self with those special needs/curiosities .. dont dwell on it, get IVB now.

Yeah I'm surprised we needed a discussion this long lol

[Shephard]

ok thanks should I make a specific topic asking what parts I need. I don't want to spam the forum.

[cytg111]

Originally Posted by tweakboy

If your using 1680x1050 games will fly. You need more CPU juice when you go higher resolution. Also your GPU should already fly at high def let alone your res. IMO your in my hole, wait it out until 6 core 12 thread is affordable. Ivy will do Sandy will do Haswell is now postponed it looks like until 2014. That is 18 months until Haswell. They are not in a hurry as their already pounding AMD. Too bad, I thought Haswell was a Q1 or Q2 2013 release. Looks like no Haswell until Dec which I doubt, but 2014 now

Dude .. not one of your more coherent moments .. dont post'n pipe' at the same time dude ..

[Shephard]

ok I saw there was sticky in the other forum so if admin wants to lock this i am ok with it.

maybe you guys can suggest specific parts in that thread I don't want to spam this forum since i want to know about all parts now just not cpu.

[CHADBOGA]

Originally Posted by Shephard

I have a q6600 CPU and I am a gamer.

Last year I was told to wait for Ivy Bridge to came out. Then everyone complained that it couldn't clock as high as Sandy Bridge.

But then on the other end, people said it doesn't matter if it can't clock as high because it's still faster at stock or overclocked.

So too many mixed opinions so I decided against it.

Now I hear the Black Friday sale is coming and there are good deals for computer parts. I have never bought anything on this event before. I am living in Canada now.

So do I buy Ivy Bridge 3570k if there is a super good special, or do I wait another 6 months to see if Haswell is even good?

I have Q6600 with stock fan and can't overclock.

I got 4 gigs of ddr2 ram.

I have a 9800 gt graphics card.

On my 1680x1050 monitor I can run most newer games on medium like Skyrim. Some settings are low.

Metro 2033 It defaults to high but in reality fps is between 10-15 in firefights which makes it difficult and not fun.

I want to play all the new games with above 30 fps so it's smooth. On the ultra settings to.

what do you suggest and thank you.

I was going to wait for Haswell myself to upgrade my i7 860 system, but when my hard disk died, I used that as an excuse to get a whole new system, so I could keep my i7 860 as my back up system.

Anyway, I ended up getting a 3570K and even though I am not a big one for overclocking, I have it running on a mild overclock so that it is running at 4.0Ghz.

Everything is so blazingly quick, I can't imagine when I will next need to upgrade my CPU, probably not for at least 4 more years.

The problem with waiting for Haswell, is that Intel could yet delay it further, as they don't have AMD chomping down on them.

Keep in mind, that you have to make sure your motherboard has the right chipset to support overclocking, if that is part of your goals.

[Shephard]

Originally Posted by CHADBOGA

I was going to wait for Haswell myself to upgrade my i7 860 system, but when my hard disk died, I used that as an excuse to get a whole new system, so I could keep my i7 860 as my back up system.

Anyway, I ended up getting a 3570K and even though I am not a big one for overclocking, I have it running on a mild overclock so that it is running at 4.0Ghz.

Everything is so blazingly quick, I can't imagine when I will next need to upgrade my CPU, probably not for at least 4 more years.

The problem with waiting for Haswell, is that Intel could yet delay it further, as they don't have AMD chomping down on them.

Keep in mind, that you have to make sure your motherboard has the right chipset to support overclocking, if that is part of your goals.

yes overclock CPU. I have never overclocked ram or GPU before. I don't see what point there is to overclocking ram.

I heard asrock z77 extreme 4 is the best for the price but some people say MSI makes the best z77 board right now.

[Denithor]

I'll throw in another vote for upgrading GPU today and waiting for Haswell for CPU upgrade later. For gaming, GPU >>> CPU. Therefore bang for your buck is much higher for GPU upgrade. I'd suggest a 7850/7870 or GTX 660 depending on your budget.

Now, one question - why don't you OC your Q6600? 3GHz is nearly guaranteed on those chips, some will hit 3.2-3.6GHz with a little work. Invest in a $20-30 cooler and crank up your speed. Combined with a new GPU your games will run much, much better.

[Shephard]

my motherboard is micro so no overclocking.

I thought clockspeed does not matter only cpu architecture.

[2is]

Originally Posted by Shephard

my motherboard is micro so no overclocking.

I thought clockspeed does not matter only cpu architecture.

If clock speed didn't matter everything would run at 100MHz to save power.

[toyota]

Originally Posted by ShintaiDK

Just play the game(s) you like and see GPU and CPU loads. If your CPU load sits at say 95% and your GPU load sits at 75%. Then you are CPU limited.

plenty of games will be cpu limited long before using 95% of his cpu as they need fast cores not just three or more. ONLY way to reliably check is to simply lower the resolution and if performance goes up than the cpu is not the main limitation there.

[Shephard]

Originally Posted by 2is

If clock speed didn't mattery everything would run at 100MHz to save power.

no I understand it matters but someone said to me even if you overclock q6600 to 3ghz it still can't do good in new games because architecture is old.

example like a core 2 duo vs a pentium d.

[toyota]

Originally Posted by Shephard

no I understand it matters but someone said to me even if you overclock q6600 to 3ghz it still can't do good in new games because architecture is old.

example like a core 2 duo vs a pentium d.

bad example. the Q6600 is clocked pretty low and is not terrible clock for clock so overclocking can make a massive difference.

[2is]

Originally Posted by tweakboy

If your using 1680x1050 games will fly. You need more CPU juice when you go higher resolution. Also your GPU should already fly at high def let alone your res. IMO your in my hole, wait it out until 6 core 12 thread is affordable. Ivy will do Sandy will do Haswell is now postponed it looks like until 2014. That is 18 months until Haswell. They are not in a hurry as their already pounding AMD. Too bad, I thought Haswell was a Q1 or Q2 2013 release. Looks like no Haswell until Dec which I doubt, but 2014 now

To the OP, the above is about the worst advise I've heard on this form. Interestingly enough, most of the other terrible advise is from the same author.

[Mars999]

Just get an IB CPU now, Haswell is only going to net 10-15% better performance over IB and maybe not much at all in games.

Even with the new tech in Haswell, it will take a few years for developers to add it in, and by then you can get the latest CPU at that time anyway.

And if you are still rocking a Q6600 worrying about a dead socket is a moot point you never moved your rig above the entry level Quad Conroe CPU (775 socket)

Get a 660Ti or 7800 series GPU and 16GB of RAM, you be set, throw in a SSD walla!

BTW I perfer Gigabyte MB's IMO they are better, and MSI would be my 2nd choice!

HTH!

Oh an yes Black Friday is only one day, and they have Cyber Monday the day after........ But yeah deals go quick and sell out FAST! SO unless you have that day off to be refreshing like mad F5 keystroking it!!!!!

[2is]

Monday doesn't come a day after Friday :p