why didnt the germans get a 100 year time out for killing the jews?

[xj0hnx]

Originally Posted by DCal430

Not really, you should read up on history. The NAZI together with their allies the German Nazi Party got around 52% of the votes, in the 1933 German Federal Elections. Their are videos of marches in Germany were people praise Hitler, and call for removal of the Jews.

And there was a large population of Germans that hated Hitler, fought against him, worked to help the Jews, and lived in fear of the SS. You are a fucking idiot if you think the majority of German worshiped Hitler. There was even a large portion Nazi's that joined because they were either afraid not to, or had nothing left to do after Hitler took over. Your ignorant line of think would be akin to calling all of America Republicans, and neocons during the Bush administration.

[Oric]

Lets add in the Turks while we are at it, they slaughtered the Christian Armenian people almost to extinction [that was the first holocaust btw], yet virtually no one speaks a word of that today..Also the Turks killed millions during their 300 years of rape/colonialism in Eastern Europe [which left the Balkans fucked up to this day].

There is no similarity between what happened in WW II Europe and WW I Eastern Anatolia

Jews did not uprise and fight against the state that they were citizens of, Armenians in Eastern Anatolia sided up with Russians and tried their own ethnic cleansing of Muslims and Turks in the area. They were sent away from the war zone, as any nation in that position would do. This is not a holocaust in definition because Armenians in other parts/cities of the Empire were not attacked or killed. I know you are bombarded with the propaganda of the Diaspora Armenians for the last 50 years and will refute my sentences but that is the way it is.

FOr the Balkans, Turks did not colonize and wipe off the culture of any nation in their Empire. If we had done that there would not be Christianity and strong Nationality and Language in those regions after 500 years. Give me any region who stayed under the influence of a world power for so long and were able keep its identity. You can't.

[Anarchist420]

Originally Posted by Oric

Give me any region who stayed under the influence of a world power for so long and were able keep its identity.

Most of Europe under the Church of Rome (i.e., Papal rule). The Church of Rome was very pro-centralization, but due to human action being more powerful than centralization of an irrational power (i.e., the state), the Church of Rome evenutally lost its power. Centralization of power sucks, but it can eventually be evaded if it doesn't collapse under its own weight first.

The point is that no matter how centralized power gets, it can't make everyone equal and it can't technically perform genocide because that would require going back in time and murdering the progenitor of the people they wanted to murder.

[Anarchist420]

Originally Posted by Lemon law

Even if we can all agree that intering our US Japanese citizens was wrong post 1942. But to blame a 1932 FDR for that can only come from a crazed poster like Anarchist420.

I was pointing out that FDR was voted into power through fraud/lies like Hitler was.

Originally Posted by DCal430

It wasn't just a few people though, Hitler was VOTED into power by the majority of the German people

That was because of fraud so it doesn't count. The Reichstag Fire was largely why they became popular, but the Nazis accidentally made it so that communism grew just like FDR campaigned on cutting spending but wound up increasing it.

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally Posted by DCal430

It wasn't just a few people though, Hitler was VOTED into power by the majority of the German people, and enjoyed wide support from the German people. Their were routine marches and parades by the German people for Hitler. Their was also marches in Germany calling for removal of the Jews. The German people supported Hitler and supported his genocide. To say otherwise is revisionist history.

You might want to back up and learn as to how it was possible for Hitler and the Nazis to come to power to begin with. It was because they were starved to death in many cases. 900,000 Germans lives in constant hunger. The Nazis represented a return to prosperity and revenge was a plus.

WWII came about for one reason- to repay evil for evil, something we seem to increasingly embrace in the US today.

[BudAshes]

Originally Posted by nehalem256

1.) Are you going to blame europeans for Native American's lacking immunity to european diseases. Or do you see no difference between breathing near someone and putting them in a gas chamber.

Small Pox was used as a weapon against Native Americans. This is a fact and disputing it only makes you look like a fool. You are completely deluded if you don't think the systematic destruction of Native Americans was genocide.

[peonyu]

Originally Posted by Oric

There is no similarity between what happened in WW II Europe and WW I Eastern Anatolia

Jews did not uprise and fight against the state that they were citizens of, Armenians in Eastern Anatolia sided up with Russians and tried their own ethnic cleansing of Muslims and Turks in the area. They were sent away from the war zone, as any nation in that position would do. This is not a holocaust in definition because Armenians in other parts/cities of the Empire were not attacked or killed. I know you are bombarded with the propaganda of the Diaspora Armenians for the last 50 years and will refute my sentences but that is the way it is.

FOr the Balkans, Turks did not colonize and wipe off the culture of any nation in their Empire. If we had done that there would not be Christianity and strong Nationality and Language in those regions after 500 years. Give me any region who stayed under the influence of a world power for so long and were able keep its identity. You can't.

Turks did colonize and destroy, how do you think Turkey itself came into existence ? Turks are not the native people of Anatolia - The Greek and Armenian people are. Turks conquered, raped, and force converted the native Greek/Armenian people of Anatolia to Islam, and those who didn't conform/convert were killed or force marched to present day Armenia [or Greece in the Greeks case]. Turkey is no less of a colonized land than the USA is, both places have non native majorities today and both practiced genocide on the indigenous people.


As far as the Armenian holocaust goes, its widely agreed by everyone outside of Turkey that a holocaust happened there...But the Turks wont man up to it, atleast the Germans admit what they did.

[blankslate]

As others have said it was the Germany's "time out" for WWI which created the conditions that allowed Hitler to gain political power.