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Old 07-30-2012, 10:06 AM   #1
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Default iPad HDMI has no HDCP?

Was looking at getting the iPad HDMI connector so I could do a bit of writing on the big screen for writing and movies on the big TV in my living room. I was reading some of the comments on Apple's store and apparently you can't play "protected content" over HDMI. Does the iPad 3 not support HDCP?
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Old 07-30-2012, 10:45 AM   #2
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It does support it, that's why it won't let you play.

Now run along citizen.

(Or get a non-compliant HDMI to composite converter or something.)
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As discovered by Dan Benjamin, the iPad 2 is smart enough to detect when it has been plugged into a computer capture card. That is, when it’s connected to a device that can actually register what’s going on on your screen in a digital manner. The consequence is that if you try to play DRM-protected content purchased on iTunes, your iPad will remind you that you’re not authorized to do so. The idea behind this is to prevent pirates from buying movies on iTunes and then ripping them off to the Internet using an iPad.
It's possible there are other doohickeys that look an awful lot like a capture card to the iPad.
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Just another friendly reminder of why I hate the entertainment industry.
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It's mostly the content providers limiting how their content can be used. That's why some apps don't allow AirPlay mirroring.
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It's possible there are other doohickeys that look an awful lot like a capture card to the iPad.
I wonder if a $40 HDMI splitter could overcome this.
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Just another friendly reminder of why I hate the entertainment industry.
if you hated the entertainment industry this wouldn't matter to you.

more likely you love the entertainment industry and who you should hate are the people who are willing to steal from them which leads to the necessity for drm.
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if you hated the entertainment industry this wouldn't matter to you.

more likely you love the entertainment industry and who you should hate are the people who are willing to steal from them which leads to the necessity for drm.
History has shown that technology with a lack of DRM (e.g. cassette tapes) doesn't have anywhere near the affect that the entertainment industry purports and helps in a number of cases. So no, it is indeed the entertainment industry that should be hated.
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History has shown that technology with a lack of DRM (e.g. cassette tapes) doesn't have anywhere near the affect that the entertainment industry purports and helps in a number of cases. So no, it is indeed the entertainment industry that should be hated.
It's important to note that cassette tapes were analog though, which means copying them involved generational quality losses. Digital copying incurs no such loss, which means a legitimate copy is no better than a pirated copy.
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It's important to note that cassette tapes were analog though, which means copying them involved generational quality losses. Digital copying incurs no such loss, which means a legitimate copy is no better than a pirated copy.
I really don't think it is. Most people I know back in the 80s were perfectly fine listening to their analog mix tapes in their IROCs.
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if you hated the entertainment industry this wouldn't matter to you.

more likely you love the entertainment industry and who you should hate are the people who are willing to steal from them which leads to the necessity for drm.
I work in the media industry, and it's one of the things that annoys me about them. Paying customers are always given a hard time, because they place artificial limits on the device. It's deliberately broken. The sheer around of content on P2P shows it doesn't work.
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I work in the media industry, and it's one of the things that annoys me about them. Paying customers are always given a hard time, because they place artificial limits on the device. It's deliberately broken. The sheer around of content on P2P shows it doesn't work.
Exactly. DRM is just like gun control, the war on drugs, etc in that it only affects those that follow the rules. The ones that wouldn't pay regardless are going to find ways around it and will eventually make it easy enough for the casual people who are willing to pay but are also annoyed by the artificial restrictions to pirate the media just to avoid those limitations.

Unless I've been in a coma and when I wake up I'll find that DRM-free MP3s have killed both the Amazon and iTunes music stores because no one is willing to pay them for music.
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Unless I've been in a coma and when I wake up I'll find that DRM-free MP3s have killed both the Amazon and iTunes music stores because no one is willing to pay them for music.
Nope. Buying more than ever.
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You see the problem is that you tried to do something that Apple didn't approve of. If you want to watch something on a tv you should obviously be using Apple TV.

My Android tablet does not suffer from such weaknesses, it has an micro HDMI port that supports HDCP.
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Sounds more like your TV is not HDCP
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Exactly. DRM is just like gun control, the war on drugs, etc in that it only affects those that follow the rules. The ones that wouldn't pay regardless are going to find ways around it and will eventually make it easy enough for the casual people who are willing to pay but are also annoyed by the artificial restrictions to pirate the media just to avoid those limitations.

Unless I've been in a coma and when I wake up I'll find that DRM-free MP3s have killed both the Amazon and iTunes music stores because no one is willing to pay them for music.
There's enough honest people that Apple and Amazon are doing ok.

Which, of course, is another reason, like DRM, dishonest people rationalize its ok to steal.
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There's enough honest people that Apple and Amazon are doing ok.

Which, of course, is another reason, like DRM, dishonest people rationalize its ok to steal.
And DRM also pushes normally honest people into that arena as well once they realize they can't legally watch or listen to something they've purchased. Of course a company needs to do it's due diligence to protect its revenue streams but when those start hurting the honest consumers is when the problems start.

There are those people that straight up refuse to pay for things and will jump through tons of hoops to avoid spending $1 on a song, but those are the minority and you can't base your business around fighting them because that's a never-ending and ultimately losing battle. But for the large majority of people it's about convenience, if I can spend $1 and have that song play fine on all my devices without any hassle it's well worth it. If that $1 only allows it to play on 1 or 2 devices and it stops working after 6mo of course I'm not going to pay for that and will find another way to get it.
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And DRM also pushes normally honest people into that arena as well once they realize they can't legally watch or listen to something they've purchased. Of course a company needs to do it's due diligence to protect its revenue streams but when those start hurting the honest consumers is when the problems start.

There are those people that straight up refuse to pay for things and will jump through tons of hoops to avoid spending $1 on a song, but those are the minority and you can't base your business around fighting them because that's a never-ending and ultimately losing battle. But for the large majority of people it's about convenience, if I can spend $1 and have that song play fine on all my devices without any hassle it's well worth it. If that $1 only allows it to play on 1 or 2 devices and it stops working after 6mo of course I'm not going to pay for that and will find another way to get it.
here's the way I think it works.

When it comes to digital content, the dishonest and the anarchists have a relatively easy time making it easy and even socially acceptable to steal content.

And there are people who will violate their own code of conduct, to save a dollar at a time.

There are no actual, valid reasons to steal content, just lots of rationalization and easy pickings.

That's just my opinion.
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here's the way I think it works.

When it comes to digital content, the dishonest and the anarchists have a relatively easy time making it easy and even socially acceptable to steal content.

And there are people who will violate their own code of conduct, to save a dollar at a time.

There are no actual, valid reasons to steal content, just lots of rationalization and easy pickings.

That's just my opinion.
What if it is impossible for you to buy the content, but not to pirate it? Think some foreign country where they can get to a torrent site, but not Steam or iTMS or Amazon?
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here's the way I think it works.

When it comes to digital content, the dishonest and the anarchists have a relatively easy time making it easy and even socially acceptable to steal content.

And there are people who will violate their own code of conduct, to save a dollar at a time.

There are no actual, valid reasons to steal content, just lots of rationalization and easy pickings.

That's just my opinion.
So if I pay the fee and still have to find a crack because DRM won't let me use the media on one of my devices do you consider that stealing as well? What about backups? I know it's the cliche answer, but why shouldn't I be allowed to buy a DVD and have a copy on a HTPC for normal use while the DVD is stored in a safe place? The sad fact is that piracy is usually easier and gives a better experience when dealing with DRM'd media.

And some of the time the DRM straight out blocks your access to the media. For instance, last I checked it wasn't possible to watch Google Play Movies on a rooted Android phone, even though Google sells one themselves, so the only option is to download and put the movie on the device manually. Obviously they're attempting to stop one from streaming and keeping the movie but no reasonable person is going to do that with their phone when there are much, much simpler ways to pirate them on a PC. So my choices are to either find a copy of the movie elsewhere or not watch anything. So far I've chosen the latter because I don't have a good reason to watch movies on my phone, but if I ever started traveling more I'm sure I would start leaning the other way.
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That's kinda what I meant about the "pirates" making it easy and socially acceptable.

Anyway, I agree that in an ideal world there would be no drm, or if there was drm it wouldn't casue problems.

My point is that another thing in an ideal world would be nobody would think its ok to take something without permission.

I just think that in a conversation about drm being a problem, I like to point out another related problem that I think is more significant.

The first one is basically about getting entertainment, the other is about ethical treatment of each other's rights.
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I use to be on a vanpool with someone that was a project developer (lead programmer) that would chastise against stealing software, but had no problems borrowing DVDs to avoid purchasing or renting them.

I was dumbfounded by his ethics.
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I use to be on a vanpool with someone that was a project developer (lead programmer) that would chastise against stealing software, but had no problems borrowing DVDs to avoid purchasing or renting them.

I was dumbfounded by his ethics.
Really? I would have been dumbfounded if I knew that he was ripping the borrowed movies, but if I know that a friend of mine has a copy of something, i will ask them before I rent/buy it. Especially given the current rental landscape for movies. I don't want to track down a redbox and hope that the little vending machine has a movie that I want to see, especially if it is something older or esoteric.
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I was dumbfounded by his ethics.
Why? Is borrowing (true sharing, not "copying/sharing") now considered somehow unethical?
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That's kinda what I meant about the "pirates" making it easy and socially acceptable.

Anyway, I agree that in an ideal world there would be no drm, or if there was drm it wouldn't casue problems.

My point is that another thing in an ideal world would be nobody would think its ok to take something without permission.

I just think that in a conversation about drm being a problem, I like to point out another related problem that I think is more significant.

The first one is basically about getting entertainment, the other is about ethical treatment of each other's rights.
I'm not saying I consider it acceptable to steal, but sometimes the only way to get the media even if you've paid for it is to find a cracked copy. At this point I'm too old and crotchety to really put forth real effort for it so if I hit a hurdle I usually just say 'Fuck it, they obviously don't want me to see their crap' and move on.

I'm all for respecting people's rights to their own property and creations, but if they're going to treat people like thieving children they should expect some backlash.
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