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Old 04-11-2012, 04:11 PM   #1
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Default 2012-2013 Ultrabook calls for beyond Full HD resolutions

(Interesting how they mention tech site comments regarding resolutions)

Anyway the next generation Zenbooks from Asus and Macbook Air/Pro from Apple uses 1920x1080 and above resolution, a welcome change from 1366x768 so common now. Looks like even 3840x2160 resolutions are on the table for the future.


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Old 04-11-2012, 04:31 PM   #2
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The big stumbling block is Windows - especially legacy apps, which won't translate well to super-high-res screens. Hopefully Windows 8 will have a '2x' button...
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:52 PM   #3
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Linked this to my friend. His response:


Bring.

It.

Want.

Now.


That pretty much sums it up for me as well.
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Old 04-11-2012, 06:51 PM   #4
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(Interesting how they mention tech site comments regarding resolutions)
Are they referring to the resolutions of the current Ultra books or the display quality itself?

(I am under the impression Tech websites have been mostly disappointed in display quality)
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:05 PM   #5
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Uhh, I think both, considering they also mention brightness and color reproduction on the first slide.

I have seen complaints for both. The most common resolution complaints are for 1366x768, and for display quality people usually love IPS.
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im not sure they need to shoot that high, 1080p with a good quality panel would be a better place to start
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Finally. 1366x768 needs to rot in hell.
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Chances of ultrabook being cheaper than a similarly specced MBA = close to zero. Like it or not Apple are the masters of entering a target market early and then dominate in volume by the time the competition even starts testing the waters.
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Chances of ultrabook being cheaper than a similarly specced MBA = close to zero. Like it or not Apple are the masters of entering a target market early and then dominate in volume by the time the competition even starts testing the waters.
Plenty of Ultrabooks undercut the Macbook Air, the Dell XPS 13 is $300 less than a MBA 13.

The Asus Zenbook refresh looks excelent, a 1080p IPS panel is a massive step up from anything currently offered in an ultra portable.
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Yeah... 1920x1080 is too much for a 11.6"-14" display. How about we cap those from 1366x768 for 11.6", 1440x900 and 1600x900 for 13" and 1600x900 for 14" and reserve 1920x1080 for 15" and 17" with the option for 2560x1440 for 17"? Instead of bumping resolution to stupid numbers, how about we focus on improving panel quality first?

I don't want to have to squint at the display when I'm reading, and I have 20/20 vision. 150 PPI is about the limit you want for a computer display, especially one that will be displaying Windows.
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Plenty of Ultrabooks undercut the Macbook Air, the Dell XPS 13 is $300 less than a MBA 13.

The Asus Zenbook refresh looks excelent, a 1080p IPS panel is a massive step up from anything currently offered in an ultra portable.
The XPS 13 is $200 cheaper for the base model, but the Air is a touch faster, and has a higher res display. Oh, and the Air is actually in stock, you don't have to wait a month a half for the item to ship.

For $200 more than the Air you do get 3 years of NBD onsite support from Dell, which is worth it. That CPU is still 1.6 v 1.7, and the display is 1366*768 v 1440*900.

There is the Envy Spectre, which is $100 more than the Air, but has a 1600*900 display. Though the Spectre takes the glossy laptop trend and cranks it to 11 by coating basically the whole thing in gorilla glass. They are all more or less around the same price, and they all have their shortcomings.
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I don't want to have to squint at the display when I'm reading, and I have 20/20 vision. 150 PPI is about the limit you want for a computer display, especially one that will be displaying Windows.
They need an option for displaying the icons and letters at the same size but with higher resolutions, so it would look crystal clear. Windows just makes everything smaller and smaller. Hopefully Windows 8 have ways to work like that.
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They need an option for displaying the icons and letters at the same size but with higher resolutions, so it would look crystal clear. Windows just makes everything smaller and smaller. Hopefully Windows 8 have ways to work like that.
Yeah, but Windows 8 sucks horribly for laptops and desktops.

There's no way I'm installing that crap permanently on any of my machines after giving it a try for three days. Many people here feel the same way.
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Doesn't Windows 8 have a regular desktop mode? Various demos have shown the ability to switch between Metro and classic.

I'd think Metro would be useful on convertible Ultrabooks, which should start to appear as Ivy Bridge arrives.
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Doesn't Windows 8 have a regular desktop mode? Various demos have shown the ability to switch between Metro and classic.

I'd think Metro would be useful on convertible Ultrabooks, which should start to appear as Ivy Bridge arrives.
Unfortunately, no. Microsoft already said Metro is what they'll push down our throats in Windows 8, and they removed the option to switch to Classic altogether. Now you need to do some rather elaborate "hacks" to the OS in order to run Classic.

I've never seen much point in convertible laptops, but I guess they're useful for some amateur and professional artists.
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That's not what it says here: http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b...r-preview.aspx

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Edit: Hmm, maybe not. It says clicking on the start button still gets you to the Metro interface. Seems like they should still give us the option of a classic interface. They might be forced to do it later if sales are lower than they expect.
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The XPS 13 is $200 cheaper for the base model, but the Air is a touch faster, and has a higher res display. Oh, and the Air is actually in stock, you don't have to wait a month a half for the item to ship.

For $200 more than the Air you do get 3 years of NBD onsite support from Dell, which is worth it. That CPU is still 1.6 v 1.7, and the display is 1366*768 v 1440*900.

There is the Envy Spectre, which is $100 more than the Air, but has a 1600*900 display. Though the Spectre takes the glossy laptop trend and cranks it to 11 by coating basically the whole thing in gorilla glass. They are all more or less around the same price, and they all have their shortcomings.
I said it was cheaper not better. I had no idea the XPS is that back ordered, it only took us ~1 week to get the one I was testing.

The Spectre does have an IPS panel which is worth keeping in mind.

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They need an option for displaying the icons and letters at the same size but with higher resolutions, so it would look crystal clear. Windows just makes everything smaller and smaller. Hopefully Windows 8 have ways to work like that.
Control Panel-> Display, then pick 125% or 150% for the DPI or set your own. it may not be 100% perfect but I have set up a couple of laptops with high resolution panels that way and have never had a problem.
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If they're going to start shipping screens with 3840x2160 resolutions, then the IGPs used in ultrabooks are going to need at least a 5x increase in performance to actually do anything at that resolution. The HD3000 that drives the 720p displays now is barely adequate.
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If they're going to start shipping screens with 3840x2160 resolutions, then the IGPs used in ultrabooks are going to need at least a 5x increase in performance to actually do anything at that resolution. The HD3000 that drives the 720p displays now is barely adequate.
I've found the HD 3000 to be more than fast enough for 1366x768. These laptops would have the new Ivy bridge IGP which should be a decent improvement though.
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I have seen complaints for both. The most common resolution complaints are for 1366x768,and for display quality people usually love IPS.
The impression I have been getting is that display quality is the main problem.

Dell XPS 13: A different kind of ultrabook

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Stop me if you've heard this one before. AnandTech receives a notebook for review from a vendor not named Sony or Apple, and that notebook features a cut rate 1366x768 TN panel with poor viewing angles, poor color, poor contrast, and just poor quality all around. While I don't take issue with that resolution on a 13" screen, everything else only continues to be aggravating, and it's a situation notebook vendors just don't seem to be in any great rush to correct.
Ultrabook head to head: Acer Aspire S3 vs. ASUS UX31e

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When we look at the target the ultrabooks are trying to take down—Apple’s MacBook Air—the LCD results in particular are unacceptable. The MacBook Air displays are by no means perfect (I'd like a color gamut of at least 70% AdobeRGB for example), but notice how out of the tested laptops they place at the top in every test other than maximum brightness? That's what we'd like to see from the competition. ASUS at least made some effort to be different by going with a 1600x900 LCD with a high maximum backlight intensity, but Acer could have literally picked up any other 13.3” LCD and put in a similar showing. Take the price and OS out of the equation and the MacBook Airs are the superior “ultrabooks”, for two reasons: build quality and display quality.
Toshiba Portege R835: Less ultra, more notebook

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first thing first,

make all laptops have 1080p screens
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give laptops IPS/retina display first @ 1920x1200
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>FHD/WUXGA 24" monitor, please
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