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Old 04-08-2012, 09:53 PM   #26
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Any reason why they don't bring it down to at least 32nm?
Ivy Bridge is 22 nm, per this Wikipedia reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:02 AM   #27
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Nice, i was thinking of going with the Asus Z77-V (vanilla, $209) but there is no eSATA which kinda dealbreaker. So now its the cheaper Z77-V LE ($175) or maybe an Asrock. I see a lot of issues here and there with asrock, but there are a few ppl who are happy and you get crammed with features for cheaper. What do you guys think of Asrock so far? Maybe if the Sabertooth drops to under $200 i might just spring for that when Ivy is out. Also that Maximus V looks pretty nice, but i have full size Lian Li cases to fill, so might as well get full atx.
I have an asrock x79 extreme 4 sitting in my closet. Amazing board for the money. Don't be afraid of asrock
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:54 AM   #28
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Ivy Bridge is 22 nm, per this Wikipedia reference:
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we're talking about the mobo die (i think, but for sure its not about CPU nm )
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Old 04-09-2012, 07:39 AM   #29
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we're talking about the mobo die (i think, but for sure its not about CPU nm )
This. We know IB is 22nm. We were discussing the size of the Z77 chipset which is 45nm.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:50 AM   #30
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Can't believe 2600K is still $299 ..

Wonder if it will drop when IB goes on sale ?
Based on past experience I wouldn't expect to see much of a drop in processor pricing for the 2nd generation Intel® Core™ processors over what is currently out there.
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Old 04-09-2012, 10:28 AM   #31
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Microcenter has a couple of the Asus Z77 boards in stock now. If you feel like flipping a 2500k it'll stack for the $50 off currently also
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Old 04-09-2012, 11:15 AM   #32
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For Canadians, I found this (weird) deal.

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69885&promoid=1205

I don't understand why they would cut 40$ off a product that just released. I'm almost suspecting an error.

I'm close to buying that!
Ahaha, it's more a marketing tactic than an error. NCIX sells the P8Z68-M Pro for 126.99. The 134.99 price point for the P8Z77-M Pro consequently makes a lot of sense. It was never intended to be a $175 product, they just write that to make you think that you are getting a good deal. (I say it probably still is a decent deal)
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Old 04-09-2012, 11:24 AM   #33
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Ahaha, it's more a marketing tactic than an error. NCIX sells the P8Z68-M Pro for 126.99. The 134.99 price point for the P8Z77-M Pro consequently makes a lot of sense. It was never intended to be a $175 product, they just write that to make you think that you are getting a good deal. (I say it probably still is a decent deal)
Ah, indeed. Still, it's a fair price, imo.
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For these new motherboards is it worth getting memory faster than DD3-1600, e.g. DDR-2400?
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Old 04-09-2012, 12:02 PM   #35
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we're talking about the mobo die (i think, but for sure its not about CPU nm )
If you were to check the "LGA 1155" Wikipedia link, the article plainly states that the CHIPSET for Ivy Bridge uses 22 nm lithography, and that the original Sandy Bridge chipset (and clearly NOT the CPU) uses 65 nm lithography. If that information is incorrect, then Wikipedia can be corrected by anyone with better information.
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Old 04-09-2012, 03:58 PM   #36
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I have an asrock x79 extreme 4 sitting in my closet. Amazing board for the money. Don't be afraid of asrock
The asrock is a full $100 cheaper than a comparable Asus board, I think i'm going to have to try one.
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ASRock is relatively new to the scene but they are making a good dent
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:52 PM   #38
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I like the Gene V, but want it full ATX for my gaming rig if I'm going to upgrade. Also would prefer a darker red.
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If you were to check the "LGA 1155" Wikipedia link, the article plainly states that the CHIPSET for Ivy Bridge uses 22 nm lithography, and that the original Sandy Bridge chipset (and clearly NOT the CPU) uses 65 nm lithography. If that information is incorrect, then Wikipedia can be corrected by anyone with better information.
The Z77 chipset does not use 22nm. There is NO REASON for chipsets to be on cutting-edge fab processes. Intel utilizes excess capacity of older fab processes for chipsets, they always have.

If Wikipedia says that, then it is quite clearly wrong.
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The Z77 chipset does not use 22nm.
Reference needed, and preferably direct from Intel.
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Reference needed, and preferably direct from Intel.
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Just use google, or go to wikipedia now. It would be a little crazy and costly for intel to use the latest and greatest on the chipset. 22nm for the chipset shouldn't have even passed the laugh test.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:54 AM   #42
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Aww man! I was all stoked about the Gigabyte mATX GA-Z77MX-D3H .. but the PCIe 16x slot will drop to 8x when a card is in the 8x slot. I would like to put my X-Fi card there, one extra slot away from the GFX card. I can deal with it right next to the GFX card (if dual slot size). Out of the limited mATX Z77's NE has .. the GA-Z77MX-D3H is my top pick!
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:46 PM   #43
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Whats with all the red white and blue color schemes? It's like an american flag exploded at newegg.

The Sabertooth is the only one that's not downright ugly.
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Whats with all the red white and blue color schemes? It's like an american flag exploded at newegg.

The Sabertooth is the only one that's not downright ugly.
are you kidding me? the savertooth looks like someone put a piece of plastic over a shitty looking motherboard
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I thought Asrock is just a subsidiary of Asus that was supposed to release budget boards but ended up making fairly good mid to upper range boards.
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I thought Asrock is just a subsidiary of Asus that was supposed to release budget boards but ended up making fairly good mid to upper range boards.
Used to be, but they were spun off and are their own company now.
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Used to be, but they were spun off and are their own company now.
I still question them. Built my dad a system with a board years ago though and it worked great.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:04 AM   #48
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ASRock is trying to break out into the mainstream and high end gaming mobos now. Last year they did a pretty good showing with some of their mobos. If they continue trying I think they will become a major contender. I hope they succeed at it. We consumers need more quality choices.
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This. We know IB is 22nm. We were discussing the size of the Z77 chipset which is 45nm.
Various sites have reported 65nm for Z77

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...ime-time?print
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2012/04...eries-chipset/

PC Pro claims this is true of all the new chipsets, even the mobile ones.

Not good news.
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are you kidding me? the savertooth looks like someone put a piece of plastic over a shitty looking motherboard
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