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Old 02-15-2012, 09:29 AM   #26
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Uhm. Just because that Sandisk card is damn good and its only rated Class 4 doesn't mean it is an automatic win and any other "Class 10" cards suck.

What solves it all is benchmarks. If you have benchmarks of that specific Sandisk card slapping the hell out of the Class 10 Patriot card, then by all means, show the data. Otherwise there's no need for this.
Here you go(Both are duplicates):
http://www.ccereviews.com/reviews/pa...memory-card/4/
http://www.overclockersonline.net/reviews/50003341/



Here's another one for the 16GB version of that same exact card:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...e,3011-12.html




Proof of engineering concept for those who may be confused as to why I'm also linking the 16GB version of the card:
The second set of charts is for the 16GB version. In other for the 32GB version of that same card to show the same exact performance displayed in this charts by the 16GB version, it needs to have double the NAND channels/chips on board. Most manufacturers don't double the NAND channels/chips when they double RAM capacity, and certainly absolutely NONE of the manufacturers on the market more than double the NAND channels/chips when they increase capacity 2x.

Class 10 cards are the best on the market if all you're talking about is playing MP3's or Video on it because those are sequential. That Patriot card would slam SanDisk in those results.
However, if you're talking about OS functions on the card such as app2sd, custom ROMS, and others; then random write performance is more important than any sequential test.

I'm still sticking to the opinion that poofyhairguy's random write performance results were an anomaly.
Saying that they are an anomaly doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. It just means it's an outlier and not likely to happen in the real world.
There are lots of outliers in statistics. That doesn't mean the statistical data collected for that particular outlier was wrong.


User data on various cards from this website if you want to know how well SanDisk performs on random write performance: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum....cfm?t=1582172
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Random 4k R/W (QD=1) results, sorted by best 4k write speed Card Size Class ReadMB/s WriteMB/s Purchased/Bus/User
Sandisk 32GB 2 1.130 2.863 Q410/USB/OP
Sandisk 32GB 4 3.241 1.752 Q211/USB/OP
Sandisk 32GB 4 2.888 1.663 Q211/USB/Hansel
Team 32GB 4 2.560 1.613 Q211/USB/OptPess
Sandisk 32GB 4 2.747 1.471 Q211/USB/Zadax
Sandisk 16GB 4 3.154 1.464 Q311/USB/dzx
Sandisk 16GB 2 0.761 1.295 Q310/USB/warakawa
Sandisk 4GB 4 2.473 1.035 Q???/USB/bamboo
Sandisk 16GB 2 1.263 0.307 Q310/USB/CzarKhan
Kingston 16GB 2 3.452 0.056 Q410/USB/MrMaestro
Sandisk 8GB 4 3.457 0.039 Q408/USB/OP
Sandisk 8GB 2 3.744 0.018 old/USB/piers888
Sandisk 8GB 2 3.321 0.018 Q408/USB/OP
Nokia 8GB 4 3.381 0.017 Q109/USB/pspiso
Kingston 16GB 4 3.473 0.016 Q410/PCI/OP
Toshiba 4GB 4 3.599 0.016 Q110/USB/MrInsane
Lexar 16GB 4 3.750 0.010 Q111/USB/flannigan
Lexar 32GB 10 5.468 0.008 Q111/USB/bchliu
Lexar 32GB 10 5.233 0.008 Q111/USB/nick Fritz
Lexar 16GB 4 4.275 0.008 Q111/USB/Siggi
Patriot 8GB 10 2.949 0.007 Q311/USB/eqx
Team 16GB 10 3.487 0.006 Q111/USB/CzarKhan
Team 16GB 10 3.248 0.006 Q211/USB/OptPess
Team 16GB 6 2.841 0.006 Q111/PCI/effdubya
I'm pretty sure there's at least 3 SanDisk 32GB Class 4 results thrown in there somewhere, so feel free to compare them to all the Class 10 cards at the bottom and the different manufacturers.

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Old 02-15-2012, 12:44 PM   #27
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I'm still sticking to the opinion that poofyhairguy's random write performance results were an anomaly.
Saying that they are an anomaly doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. It just means it's an outlier and not likely to happen in the real world.
I agree. I think this card is all over the map based on reviews. Mine might go belly up in a week- I wouldn't recommend it.

But until then, I am enjoying the speed.
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Old 02-15-2012, 02:20 PM   #28
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I think you can get pretty cheap 32 gb class 10 cards at frys last week I bought a samsung class 10 micro SD card for like 30 bucks
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Old 02-15-2012, 02:33 PM   #29
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TBH you're not going to notice any practical difference above a class6 card once its in your phone.

I'd say size is way more important than speed in smartphones.
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:08 PM   #30
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i had filled up my internal on my gnex.
then i deleted all my backups and now its like...5gb used.
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:56 PM   #31
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i had filled up my internal on my gnex.
then i deleted all my backups and now its like...5gb used.
Its probably a better bet just to move them to your PC.
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:02 PM   #32
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Its probably a better bet just to move them to your PC.
they were all useless.

i have my custom roms and crap all loaded up on internal (of my gnex) so if something messes up, i can reflash

and i have ONE back up of my phone
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:09 PM   #33
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they were all useless.

i have my custom roms and crap all loaded up on internal (of my gnex) so if something messes up, i can reflash

and i have ONE back up of my phone

Yeah, I used to backup religiously then I realised that all my stuff was in the cloud anyway.

Reflash and then all my sms/emails/pictures/music is there anyway.

Although I do like a couple of titanium backups and nandroids lurking on a harddrive somewhere.
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:25 PM   #34
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Yeah, I used to backup religiously then I realised that all my stuff was in the cloud anyway.

Reflash and then all my sms/emails/pictures/music is there anyway.

Although I do like a couple of titanium backups and nandroids lurking on a harddrive somewhere.
i dont do titanuim backups. dont know how it works lol

i have 1 nandroid.
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i dont do titanuim backups. dont know how it works lol

i have 1 nandroid.


Titaniums great if you've re-flashed and want to restore all your apps back. Its pretty automated.

I do find that with Google+, Gmail, SMS backup+ anf Google music most things on my phone are backed up anyway, but titanium is great in saving time reinstalling my apps if I need to.

And nandroids are great if you ever hit one of those "OH crap!" moments.
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:56 PM   #36
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i dont mind reinstalling crap. its all saved as apk in my internal anyways
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:56 PM   #37
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Just realized, I've used 17GB of my 32GB on the Nexus. Only had it since December.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:57 PM   #38
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Just realized, I've used 17GB of my 32GB on the Nexus. Only had it since December.
I've also had the 32GB Nexus since late December and my storage at present is:

Total: 28.13GB
Apps: 707MB
Pictures, videos: 687MB
Audio: 16.18GB
Downloads: 208KB
Misc: 47.23MB
Available: 10.81GB

So, it looks like we've both used about the same...

I do expect to use much more storage on the tablet when I get it as video can eat up huge amounts of storage. I'm planning to get the Sammy 7.7 tab and would love to get the 64GB model AND add my 64GB uSDXC card to it giving me 128GB of storage.

You can never have too much storage if you plan to have video...


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Old 02-20-2012, 07:12 PM   #39
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I have a 32GB iPhone 4. Opted to get the 16GB iPhone 4S. The problem that I'm coming up with is I have to keep a check on what I store on the phone. Before, I used to be able to bring some Music with me just in case I would need it, but now I have to actively make sure that I delete Video Podcasts or else I won't have room to do other stuff. I can't hold all the 1GB games that I want and when I want to take video using the camera its about 7 minutes of recording takes up 1GB of storage. All in all, I would rather have the 32GB than the 16GB, the $100 for me is worth it.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:51 PM   #40
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I got the 16GB Droid Razr and pull the 16GB memory from my Storm 2 to put in it. Saved me some money.
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:46 PM   #41
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I got a 64GB iPhone 4S and now realize I wasted $200. I haven't gotten over 16GB.

It mattered a lot more when you didn't have services like Rdio, Spotify or iCloud, but unless you stream a TON of music, caching your favorites on your phone is plenty for me.

The same also with tablets, especially if it has a microSD card. Get the smallest one unless you KNOW you are going to fill your tablet up with apps/content you will use on a regular basis. "Unused" flash memory is wasted flash memory.
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Old 02-21-2012, 12:53 AM   #42
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true at apple prices, but in microsd capacity is probably cheaper than the next data tier

I've blown more on a nice dinner than for a 32GB microsd
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:44 AM   #43
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heh i always wanted to do the math;

iphone4s;
from 16GB to 32GB (+16GB) = +$100
from 32GB to 64GB (+32GB) = +$100
from 16GB to 64GB (+48GB) = +$200
subsidized or unsubsidized price differential the same

microsd from amazon;
16GB ~$15
32GB ~$30

from my reading, microsd is constructed as NAND flash dies in microsd packaging and reflects the spot price of NAND flash chips;

http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918

100/15 = 6.66 or 666% markup ($85 pure profit on NAND alone)
100/30 = 3.33 or 333% markup ($70 pure profit on NAND alone)
200/45 = 4.44 or 444% markup ($155 pure profit on NAND alone)

of course by design the iphone 4 doesn't have a microsd slot, preventing end users from undercutting apple.
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Since 32gig class 10 microsd cards can be had for around $30, there's very little reason not to have one.
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Since 32gig class 10 microsd cards can be had for around $30, there's very little reason not to have one.
Amen to that. Happened to be in Fry's yesterday, and there was the Samsung 32GB Class 10 for $34. Done!

My Sandisk 16GB goes into my wife's Captivate, and she's happy...
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