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Old 11-13-2005, 02:47 PM   #1
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Ok here goes..

When I go to bed at night I get all kinds of crazy ideas because im bored and im waiting to fall asleep , when I think up something that I think is great I say to myself "ok, I gotta remember this when I wake up so I can tell my friends" but when I do wake up I ALWAYS forget what those crazy ideas were.

So I decided to just write them down and post them here for some reason.

Ok before I start, I have to give credit to many authors: Liska and Mesner, and Adler as most of the stuff here is actually their thoughts not mine, the only thing here that is mine are the actual connection between the movie "The Matrix" and Capitalism.

Please also note that these are my OPINIONS so before you get your panties in a knot please don't flame me

Ok first I will define what Capitalism is and then I will make the connection to "The Matrix"


Capitalism
Ok, think about capitalism for a second, what does it allow us to do? Here is my dictionary definition: Capitalism allows individuals to pursue the goal of material wealth by means of financial success. Of course not everyone achieves this goal; however this is the goal of society: our parents, media, and education all teach us to "get a good education and get a good job" but of course many do not get to this goal.

So how do you get financial success? Through work; work essentially reduces you to physical, and mental functions, it doesn't matter if you work at an office or a factory, there is no "emotion" at work people are required to follow rules and perform tasks.

So is this good or bad? This is where the opinion comes in so brace yourself: In order for Capitalism to function, every participant?s primary goal is to make money, lots of it. In fact you have to keep making more money and never stop. People always want more money, more stuff, a better video card, a better TV, a promotion, a raise - never be satisfied with what you have. Your parents, advertising, and school teachers will not say "be happy with what you have" this idea often has negative associations i.e. it means you staying in one spot and not moving. (generally speaking, I know this doesn't always apply)

But what is the purpose of life? Is it to make lots of money and to keep making money and never stop??? This has bad side effects: companies embezzle people commit fraud in other words white collar crime. And for those poor people, they can never achieve material wealth so they resort to crime to achieve that goal. SHOULDNT THE PURPOSE OF LIFE BE SELF FULLFILMENT?? What gives you more self fulfillment: 1) helping feed and clothe victims of a tragedy, or 2) working overtime at the office so you can get a spanking new pair of 7800GTX's? Capitalism only benefits capitalists, those who are in power: CEOs, stock holders, certain people in government; mostly corporations and the elite upper class. In the meantime we think we are doing something that makes us happy, we think material wealth will make us happy, but it doesn't because the desire never ends, we constantly want more, so we are never happy because our desire is never satiated.

In other words, capitalism functions by making us believe that we should work for the purpose of making lots of money and money will make us happy, and not by spending time with family and by helping others, which is what will REALLY make us happy.


If you are reading this far im impressed

Connection to The Matrix
Ok so what the hell does this have to do with the Matrix? Well the Matrix functions by controlling human beings so that the Machines can harness the energy generated by the human body. The Matrix tricks us into thinking that everything is a-okay, that this is what the world should be like and no change is necessary. Capitalism functions in the same manner: The belief that we must get a good education and work to keep making lots of money is a way for Capitalists to generate wealth from our work. They exploit our minds and bodies in work, much like the machines exploit the biological function of the human body.

It?s important to note that you are born in the matrix, in other words we are told from very early child hood that hard works come with a big pay out, and that is the purpose of life. Our minds are exploited since birth by capitalist i.e. the machines.

Spending more time with family, doing work for no pay are not things that are emphasized in capitalist society in fact quite the opposite, we probably spend less time with our family and most of us do no volunteer work because we are to busy making money.

So you can say the Neo is the ultimate humanist, he is the one to free us from the clutches of the capitalist machine, to go back to a life that allows us to make more human connections, work is to help others in need and not to make money. SO GO CALL YOUR GRANDMA!!!
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Old 11-13-2005, 02:48 PM   #2
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I thought the Matrix was connected to christianity? Maybe communism? How about Buddhism?
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Old 11-13-2005, 02:49 PM   #3
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I thought it was connected to christianity also.
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Old 11-13-2005, 02:50 PM   #4
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Momma says that the Matrix is the debil!
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Old 11-13-2005, 02:50 PM   #5
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Very interesting, you should post more of your thoughts and we can have interesting philosophical discussions. I think the boards would benefit from this, as I'm sick of seeing so many retarded threads of late.
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Old 11-13-2005, 02:52 PM   #6
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so what is out there once we human are freed from this evil capitalism? utopia? it never worked last time I check. so ultimately Neo failed and we all go back to the capitalism.

so I guess this will make Neo a dumbass for trying to free human.
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Old 11-13-2005, 02:53 PM   #7
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Very interesting, you should post more of your thoughts and we can have interesting philosophical discussions. I think the boards would benefit from this, as I'm sick of seeing so many retarded threads of late.
this thread is pretty retarded.
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Old 11-13-2005, 02:57 PM   #8
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You got it all wrong! The movie "The Matrix" is all about white oppression of minorities!

Look at all the crackers in the matrix all happy and wealthy in their suits and ties vs. the Zionists living in the caverns deep underground. And did you notice all the minorities at the party? The part where the movie wastes a couple minutes showing us how they jump and dance and shook the earth with their feet

And ironically, all the "agents" are WHITE!

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Old 11-13-2005, 02:59 PM   #9
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Very interesting, you should post more of your thoughts and we can have interesting philosophical discussions. I think the boards would benefit from this, as I'm sick of seeing so many retarded threads of late.
this thread is pretty retarded.
If your ignorant mind wants to remain shackled to the foundations of capitalism, so be it. We free spirits find it interesting to at least consider these issues and give them thought.

I'm not saying capitalism is wrong and no progress should be made, rather I find this portrayal interesting and find the merits of such concepts as personal fullfillment, spending time family, etc (so called "higher pleasures") in relation to our pursuit of material goals worth thinking and debating about.
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Old 11-13-2005, 02:59 PM   #10
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so what is out there once we human are freed from this evil capitalism? utopia? it never worked last time I check. so ultimately Neo failed and we all go back to the capitalism.
So we should never bother to improve life, because we are always going to fail?

Thats very pessimitic.
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:04 PM   #11
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so what is out there once we human are freed from this evil capitalism? utopia? it never worked last time I check. so ultimately Neo failed and we all go back to the capitalism.
So we should never bother to improve life, because we are always going to fail?

Thats very pessimitic.
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IT'S A FRICKIN MOVIE!!

Sigh. I feel better now.
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:07 PM   #12
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so what is out there once we human are freed from this evil capitalism? utopia? it never worked last time I check. so ultimately Neo failed and we all go back to the capitalism.
So we should never bother to improve life, because we are always going to fail?

Thats very pessimitic.
newsflash

IT'S A FRICKIN MOVIE!!

Sigh. I feel better now.

newflash

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN JUST A MOVIE!!!

now think on the first part of his post.
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:22 PM   #13
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yeah the christianity arguement is much more convincing.
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Old 11-13-2005, 06:29 PM   #14
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What is the christianity argument does it have to do with Jesus being equated with Neo?

I think that Jesus was also a humanist, he encouraged his disciples to reach out to people and preach about things that encourage people to help and care for others. If Jesus was alive today he would not like capitalism or the "invasion" of technology, because they do not encourage these values - which is just like Neo who also resists technology because he opposes the delusions instilled on other fellow human beings i.e. by the machines.

Jesus and his disciples preached, and they did not get paid for it, they wanted to improve the lives of the people from their oppressors - their work was self-fullfilling they did not seek material wealth. except for Judas who commited suicide - how much clearer can it be? The desire for money kills.
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Old 11-13-2005, 06:35 PM   #15
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Interestingly enough, there are entire courses taught on the Matrix at major universities.

Cool theory, buts its been done a lot
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Old 11-13-2005, 07:02 PM   #17
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Absolutely, I get most of my views, opinions from various philosophy and sociology texts, but I never agree 100% - there is always something off in metaphysical, or epistemological theories, so I just apply a little twist of my own, but i'm not surprised if this has been done before.

P.S. it helps if your really high, if im sober I cant think like this . JK!
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Old 11-13-2005, 07:11 PM   #18
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Old 11-13-2005, 07:34 PM   #19
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capitalism made it so greedy investors thought that cuz the two brothers had some good ideas for matrix 1 that they would also have good ideas for matrix 2-3. instead they just bullshitted their way through the rest and laughed all the way to the bank.
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Old 11-14-2005, 09:34 AM   #20
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capitalism made it so greedy investors thought that cuz the two brothers had some good ideas for matrix 1 that they would also have good ideas for matrix 2-3. instead they just bullshitted their way through the rest and laughed all the way to the bank.
Well I tend to think that no sequel can really live up to the origonal for many reasons - matrix 2 had some good things but they were all focused into 1 scene, the part where neo was conversing with the architect the rest was rubbish.

But you have a point: capitalism KILLS art, capitalism standardizes everything, makes everything formulaic and similare, Why? because its very easy to reproduce in mass quantities, and therfore make a lot of money with.

So when you standardize Film, you get fim makers coming out with a ton of sequels trying to make loads of money, instead of art that has the human connection.

If you think about it lots of stuff is standardized by capitalism: food production, television, clothing, even health care - capitalism has killed the human touch normally associated with these things and replaced them with rules and formulas that are designed to generate more money - machines can follow rules and formuals very easily infact isnt that what they do? are we becoming the machines?
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