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Be fun to see how Zen 5 does with this test.

Rendering with Magix Vegas Pro 21 using Vokouder to x265. Totally stable running 5.5/4.4 no HT at 170ish watts under 80C. Posting for those who might be looking for good Raptor settings. Been running this way over a year on air with no issues.

Great post. Can you clarify this paragraph a bit more? Was the mistake that E cores didn't have AVX512 or that AVX512 was not correctly developed upon inception?

No, just normal overclocking instability and failures we've all experienced over the past 30 years of overclocking the brains out of our CPU's. Difference here is Intel made the default specs too high so they are aggressively overclocked out of the box.

I was thinking the same. It may be that 5.6 will only be attainable under very low load/low temp conditions all-core? Like under 70C or something?

If this information is correct it is quite interesting. First, the base P/E frequencies have increased from 3.2/2.4 for the 14900K to 3.7/3.2 at 125W. We don't know what load Intel is applying but assuming it is the same between the two these numbers would imply a significant efficiency boost...

Think about these IPC numbers for CB R23. Metrics expressed in CB R23 points/GHz 265 - Gracemont 363 - Skymont (best info to date) 389 - Raptor Cove no HT 442 - Lion Cove (best info to date) 512 - Raptor Cove with HT running MT bench Raptor Cove with HT is 16% better than Lion Cove. Skymont is...

I wonder how what percentage of people who buy thin and light laptops get them with 64GB of RAM? https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/why-i-wont-buy-an-intel-lunar-lake-powered-laptop

Here are the stats of my 14900K doing what is for me a heavy lift. Rendering a video project from Vegas Video 21 using Happy Otter Scripts Render+. This basically means the "assembled" timeline is frameserved to what is essentially the Handbrake encoding engine. I have volts manually at 1.3...

Besides performance I'm interested to see if ARL will be able to sustain 5.4 all-core under a moderately heavy load with air cooling and reasonable power. Peak clocks for Raptor have always been sort of a gaslight in that you need serious cooling to sustain them as well as good silicon...

I predict that ARL will be be between 42,000 and 44,000 in CB R23 MT when running 5.4/4.6.

Skymont

I have been away from my main rig for the summer. Just got back and updated latest ARC graphics driver and latest Topaz Video AI update. Happily it looks like most, if not all, of the models are working. I haven't tried them all but so far I have tried Artemis HG, Theia Fidelity, Iris LQ v2...

I generally use 389/GHz for Raptor Cove R23 ST and 265/GHz for Crestmont so yeah that 392 is a good (accurate) number. Based on Lion Cove (442) and Skymont (363) numbers, ARL should score ~45,000 MT at 5.4/4.5 and ~2,500 ST at 5.7. If that can be achieved on air with less than 225W then I'd...

Didn't having 20A and 18A seem kind of redundant all along? Also, if ARL is going to be TMSC Intel must have known this quite a while ago right? Since TMSC and Intel are basically using the same tools why does Intel have so much trouble (constantly) nodes. I mean everything since 10nm (and...

With Intel cancelling 20A I thought it might be interesting to rekindle this thread. Maybe 4 nodes in 4 years?

Hmm. 5 nodes in 4 years is looking like pie-in-the-sky.

I'm not seeing any customization options for display or SSD. I'm looking for a better display (with touch) and 1TB SSD. Don't worry I will be buying an LL system but I do want to see what else will be available!

I would pick process technology as this has been an issue for 10 years now. Catching up would be a huge achievement. Intel has less trouble with architecture it seems.

"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long, and you have burned so very very brightly, Roy" - Blade Runner RIP Anandtech

Those crazy volts are really only needed to hit the only useful for ST benchmarking 6GHz.

But in reality the cpu is almost never at the selected voltage because of C states when not under load.

I would be more concerned with voltage and heat. I have decided on a manual max voltage of 1.3V, which is about 1.15V under heavy load. Temps are always under 75C with my cooling. I can get 5.5GHz without HT stable in all my apps with that setting. Personally I think anything over 1.3V is...

Okay yes, that makes sense. I was thinking video so if those super high resolution devices aren't produced on a mass scale prices tend to remain niche market high.

Eventually human limitations put an end to the endless upgrade in resolution cycle. 480i to 1080p, huge increase in perceived video quality. 1080p to 4k, significant increase in quality. 4k to 8k or higher, not much increase unless you are sitting 2 ft away from a 85" display, which of course...

Are you having stability issues at 5.4? I've been fine at 5.5 for over a year.

I agree those frequencies are optimistic for mobile. Probably more like 4/3, right? 4/3 with Lion Cove doing 5% better than Raptor and Skymont 5% less than Raptor (in CB R23) would show a score of about 13,500.

The more I think about that LL 10k CB R23 MT score the more confused I am. Assuming 4.5/3.5 clocks and Lion Cove performs 5% better than Raptor Cove in this bench, and Skymont perform performs 5% worse than Raptor Cove then the resulting score should be nearly 15k. Either Intel's entire LL...

Cinebench has nothing to do with the software I actually run on my computers. But it is a good benchmark for me because I know by heart how most chips perform with CB, and that in turn gives me a very accurate idea of how they perform in application that are important to me. For example, my...

That CB R23 LL score has got to be wrong. Either clocks are horrendously low or that score is for P cores only. Actual score should be around 15,000.

I need a new laptop in a bad way. My Surface Laptop 2 has served me well and is still serving me but I'm out of SSD space, trackpad went nuts about a year ago (disabled it), and somehow I cracked the screen. Plus the Skylake quad core is completely overmatched for even light video editing at...

According to Techpowerup reviews the 13900K will boost up to 5.5GHz all core given adequate cooling and volts. The 14900K will go to 5.7GHz all core. Anything beyond that is technically overclocked I would think.

Yes, but I specified on the current node. If you want to talk about future products on future nodes then feel free to create any magical part you want. Eventually though, reality asserts itself and the reality is that the hybrid solution is proving to me more amenable to MT scaling. AMD...

You'll notice I wrote "currently." That would be another chiplet. Not insignificant.

They will price themselves out of the game. There is a reason Intel is 8+16 currently and AMD is 16, die size.

Looks like it's everything Intel said it was. Can't wait for actual tests with real software. Top of the AMD/Intel stack will once again be neck-and-neck in performance.

Admittedly I don't really game but if you have say a 14900K, what is the difference in fps or the gaming experience if you run stock vs using process lasso to shut down the E's for some games?

It will be interesting to see if a 12 Raptor Cove core processor will be more performant than ARL in games keeping in mind that ARL will have 8 cores that are more performant than Raptor Cove, and 16 additional cores, which may have the IPC of Raptor Cove with a 20% clock deficit. I am in the...

I changed my mind already. 5.4 all core seems okay since I'm running 5.5 with no HT and ARL is no HT out of the box. But 5.7 seems to be pushing it. If I buy ARL and I see big voltage boost occurring when max frequency is reached I'll shut that down like I did in my 14900K.

Frequencies are comparable to Zen, which is also on a TMSC node. In addition we know Intel designs with high clocks in mind. 5.7/5.4 seem to me as "high but reasonable." The problem is those darn preferred cores and if they need high voltage. At the start of this whole 1 or 2 core higher...