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MentalIlness
12-22-2010, 10:11 PM
Which of these two tires would be better in your opinion?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Altimax+Arctic&partnum=055QR6AMAXA&wTire=6&autoMake=Pontiac&autoYear=2001&autoModel=Grand%20Am%20GT%20Coupe&autoModClar= (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Altimax+Arctic&partnum=055QR6AMAXA&wTire=6&autoMake=Pontiac&autoYear=2001&autoModel=Grand%20Am%20GT%20Coupe&autoModClar=)

http://www.tirerack.com/images/trans.gif
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/general/ge_altimax_arctic_ci2_l.jpg

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Firestone&tireModel=Winterforce&partnum=25SR6FWF&wTire=18&autoMake=Pontiac&autoYear=2001&autoModel=Grand%20Am%20GT%20Coupe&autoModClar=

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/firestone/fs_winterforce_ci2_l.jpg




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oldsmoboat
12-22-2010, 10:12 PM
2 and wrong forum.

shortylickens
12-22-2010, 10:13 PM
I dunno but I will say this much.

I have HTS Grabbers, and they are NOT great on snow.

Just so you know.

MentalIlness
12-22-2010, 10:15 PM
Yep sure is.

Mods please move at your earliest convenience.

Does a "more rugged" tire actually mean better ? It says Option A has better ice traction, but Option B has better snow traction.

I need a mix of both.

MentalIlness
12-22-2010, 10:17 PM
The size I am going for is 225/50/16. If that matters.

oldsmoboat
12-22-2010, 10:18 PM
Where do you live?
How much driving do you do in snow?
Live on a steep hill?
Are you poor?
Pics of gf and mom?

oldsmoboat
12-22-2010, 10:19 PM
The size I am going for is 225/50/16. If that matters.
Are you looking for all all season tire? Skinnier is better in snow tires.

BillGates
12-22-2010, 10:25 PM
Bridgestone Blizzak WS60 or WS70, Dunlop Wintersport M3 or 3D

MentalIlness
12-22-2010, 10:31 PM
Where do you live? Mountains

How much driving do you do in snow? At least 20 miles per day, sometimes more

Live on a steep hill? Im in the moutains

Are you poor? Nope

Pics of gf and mom? Grow up

These will be going on a Grand Am GT. Car has 16" inch wheels...so that is what im going to put on it. Could go smaller for "skinnier" tires. But honestly don't want to.

oldsmoboat
12-22-2010, 10:31 PM
Bridgestone Blizzak WS60 or WS70, Dunlop Wintersport M3 or 3D
Blizzak 's are awesome.

MentalIlness
12-22-2010, 10:40 PM
Blizzak 's are awesome.

Like these ?

http://www.tirerack.com/snow/CompareWinterTires.jsp?snowSortCode=19000&sortSize=16&winterType=AB&RHP=&beanNumber=&Qty=&startIndex=0&frontWidth=&frontRatio=&frontDiameter=&frontSortCode=&rearWidth=&rearRatio=&rearDiameter=&rearSortCode=&performance=W&compareList=0%2C1&compare=true&displayResults=50&search=true&sortValue=2&compareCheck=0&Qty0=4&compareCheck=1&Qty1=4&Qty2=4&Qty3=4&Qty4=4&Qty5=4&Qty6=4&Qty7=4&Qty8=4&Qty9=4&markdownprice=124&Qty10=4&Qty11=4&Qty12=4&Qty13=4&Qty14=4&Qty15=4&Qty16=4&Qty17=4&Qty18=4&Qty19=4&Qty20=4

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_blizzak_lm25_ci2_l.jpg

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_blizzak_ws70_ci2_l.jpg

oldsmoboat
12-22-2010, 10:44 PM
Like these ?

http://www.tirerack.com/snow/CompareWinterTires.jsp?snowSortCode=19000&sortSize=16&winterType=AB&RHP=&beanNumber=&Qty=&startIndex=0&frontWidth=&frontRatio=&frontDiameter=&frontSortCode=&rearWidth=&rearRatio=&rearDiameter=&rearSortCode=&performance=W&compareList=0%2C1&compare=true&displayResults=50&search=true&sortValue=2&compareCheck=0&Qty0=4&compareCheck=1&Qty1=4&Qty2=4&Qty3=4&Qty4=4&Qty5=4&Qty6=4&Qty7=4&Qty8=4&Qty9=4&markdownprice=124&Qty10=4&Qty11=4&Qty12=4&Qty13=4&Qty14=4&Qty15=4&Qty16=4&Qty17=4&Qty18=4&Qty19=4&Qty20=4

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_blizzak_lm25_ci2_l.jpg

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_blizzak_ws70_ci2_l.jpg
If I am going to grow up, I'll only answer questions in the correct forum.

RKS
12-22-2010, 10:46 PM
From what I read Blizzacks are a more 'sporty' tire; I went with the Michelin X-Ice2 which sacrifices some of the aggressive handling for more grip in shitty conditions.

kag
12-22-2010, 10:52 PM
I'm in Canada and I have the General Altimax Arctic on my Mazda 6. I have no complaints.

Iron Woode
12-22-2010, 10:54 PM
From what I read Blizzacks are a more 'sporty' tire; I went with the Michelin X-Ice2 which sacrifices some of the aggressive handling for more grip in shitty conditions.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=X-Ice+Xi2

:thumbsup:

MentalIlness
12-22-2010, 11:04 PM
If I am going to grow up, I'll only answer questions in the correct forum.

Well, since you have replied several times now. I guess your not going to grow up then.

And if you have a problem with it. Dont post in the thread.

Mods will move it.

iGas
12-22-2010, 11:26 PM
Last year I went to the tire shop for a set of 4 Artic Claws tires because cops & taxis drivers use them in my town.

Last winter the road were in great condition except for a coup of days that I saw a bit of snow on it. However this year so far the tires saved my bacon for 3 days that we had snow/ice (I commute 100+ miles per day to/from work over treacherous mountain pass that was hit with snow & ice that most if not all people stayed off it, or ended up in the ditch).

The only gripes that I have with these tires is that they are some what noisy, and the ride isn't as comfortable or as grippy as my MICHELIN Energy MXV4 all season tires.

My vote is for Artic Claws.

MentalIlness
12-22-2010, 11:29 PM
Last year I went to the tire shop for a set of 4 Artic Claws tires because cops & taxis drivers use them in my town.

Last winter the road were in great condition except for a coup of days that I saw a bit of snow on it. However this year so far the tires saved my bacon for 3 days that we had snow/ice (I commute 100+ miles per day to/from work over treacherous mountain pass that was hit with snow & ice that most if not all people stayed off it, or ended up in the ditch).

My vote is for Artic Claws.

These do look good. However, For these it may take a while to find I think. I usually order from Tirerack though. Sears just suck.
http://www.gobigo.ca/images/l_ArcticClaw_TXI.jpg

iGas
12-22-2010, 11:56 PM
My bad, the all season are Michelin Primacy MXV4.

IMHO, any snow tires are better than no snow tires. And, modern snow tires are design to stay soft even in low temperature.

Winter tires: helping your car get a grip (http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/11/18/f-snowtires.html)

ShawnD1
12-22-2010, 11:58 PM
I bought the cheapest snow tires Walmart sells. That was about 3 years ago and they still rock my dick off. It doesn't really matter which ones you buy unless you really want to drive balls to the wall fast and that extra 10% grip is the difference between living and dying.


I vote buy the cheaper one.

Soccerman06
12-23-2010, 12:01 AM
I had blizzaks and they can get noisy at highway speeds, but generally my stereo frowns out the road noise, so i never noticed.

MentalIlness
12-23-2010, 12:22 AM
Yea, I understand about the cheapest snow tire possible can still be pretty good in the snow.

But for 225/50/16 there really is no cheap tire. Cheapest I have seen is around $100, all the way up to $190.

Still browsing the Tire Rack. :)

It will probably come down to the Blizzaks though.

ShawnD1
12-23-2010, 12:37 AM
Yea, I understand about the cheapest snow tire possible can still be pretty good in the snow.

But for 225/50/16 there really is no cheap tire. Cheapest I have seen is around $100, all the way up to $190.
The wild price difference is why I bought the cheap ones. If $200 tires were twice as grippy and safe as $100 tires then I would buy them in a second, but it's a bit of a diminishing returns thing. The cost goes up 20% but the tire is 5% better, and it goes on and on like that.

I think the most expensive 205/55/R16 tires I saw were something silly like $220 each. Come on now. These are Honda Civic tires; who pays that much? Unless it's a BMW 7 series then it's really hard to justify spending that much to get tires that are only slightly better.

Triumph
12-23-2010, 08:16 AM
Forget people's anecdotal reports. The General's are rated second best by Consumer Reports behind Michelin X-Ice's. The Firestone Winterforces were rated much lower. If you find something that works for you, as is the case with most anecdotal accounts, there's nothing wrong with that. But I prefer direct head-to-head comparisons under the same controlled conditions when comparing two products.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/arsigi/Miscellaneous/winter.jpg

The problem with tire accounts, especially when it comes to winter tires, is that the car and the conditions are often times extremely different between user accounts. I had Hankook Icebears on my car, they got pretty good reviews from people who drove FWD cars and subarus. On my GTO...awful. And you can see how CR rated them. I got the Generals and while the GTO is still quite a handful in snow, it is much better with these tires.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/arsigi/Miscellaneous/performancewinter.jpg

Marlin1975
12-23-2010, 08:23 AM
Yea, I understand about the cheapest snow tire possible can still be pretty good in the snow.

But for 225/50/16 there really is no cheap tire. Cheapest I have seen is around $100, all the way up to $190.

Still browsing the Tire Rack. :)

It will probably come down to the Blizzaks though.


DWS is a good hybrid tire that works in the snow and is $93 in your size. Have a set on the rear of my CTS (RWD) and made it fine in last years 100 year storm.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=ExtremeContact+DWS&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=25WR6ECDWS&tab=Sizes

Can run year round and less than $95 each

skyking
12-23-2010, 08:47 AM
Glad this did not get moved, it had more traffic here.
It reinforced my desire to get a second set of rims and tires for my wife's Pilot.

Triumph
12-23-2010, 12:55 PM
Glad this did not get moved, it had more traffic here.
It reinforced my desire to get a second set of rims and tires for my wife's Pilot.

And reinforces the need to merge the garage back into off-topic.

KK
12-23-2010, 01:02 PM
And reinforces the need to merge the garage back into off-topic.

SHould have never been split. We were told when they split it that they would give it a few weeks, and then do a poll. Well that poll never happened, unless I missed it.

Iron Woode
12-23-2010, 01:55 PM
I am using Pacemark Snow Tracker snow tires (205 60 15). For an off brand (Kelly Tire), they are pretty damn good. Traction in snow, slush and ice is excellent.

thescreensavers
12-23-2010, 02:01 PM
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=123

Esiuda
12-23-2010, 02:09 PM
Wintersport 3D's

You can not go wrong with them.

Also, with any of the High Performanc snows, you are better off with them front and rear, NOT just on your drive wheels! Just putting them on one end of your car, and YOU WILL have handling problems.

received them last year, and they were great. This year, the weather in Chicago has been like a real winter so far, and they have not let me down, also went to Colorado and back, had snow the night before I left to come back to Chicago, and they were GREAT in the Mountains!

Minjin
12-23-2010, 02:16 PM
Wintersport 3D's

You can not go wrong with them.

3D tires! What will they think of next!

Colt45
12-23-2010, 02:20 PM
I've got these on a few different cars now, great performance (studded at least, never tried them studless. Your region may or may not let you have studs) "Gislaved nord-frost 5"

I used to always run blizzaks before these, but... no comparison. I think a few of the nokians are similar too. These are made by conti in germany.

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/colt45/tire2.jpg

Iron Woode
12-23-2010, 02:24 PM
I've got these on a few different cars now, great performance (studded at least, never tried them studless. Your region may or may not let you have studs) "Gislaved nord-frost 5"

I used to always run blizzaks before these, but... no comparison. I think a few of the nokians are similar too. These are made by conti in germany.

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/colt45/tire2.jpg
studded tires are illegal here and it pisses me off.

My dad used them before they were banned and they were awesome. He drove a 1968 Pontiac Parisienne and had amazing traction.

studded snow tires > all other snow tires. Everyone knows this.

Spicedaddy
12-23-2010, 02:47 PM
Which of these two tires would be better in your opinion?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Altimax+Arctic&partnum=055QR6AMAXA&wTire=6&autoMake=Pontiac&autoYear=2001&autoModel=Grand%20Am%20GT%20Coupe&autoModClar=

http://www.tirerack.com/images/trans.gif
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/general/ge_altimax_arctic_ci2_l.jpg

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Firestone&tireModel=Winterforce&partnum=25SR6FWF&wTire=18&autoMake=Pontiac&autoYear=2001&autoModel=Grand%20Am%20GT%20Coupe&autoModClar=

http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/firestone/fs_winterforce_ci2_l.jpg




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The Generals will be better on ice, while the Firestones will be better in deep snow. You said you lived in the mountains, so I'd get the Firestones.

MentalIlness
12-23-2010, 05:33 PM
Yea, I live in the mountains. Even over in town, 95% of the streets is either up or down inclines. ;) Not alot of leveling off here, cant really think of a place that is perfectly level to be honest.

Yea, I would "rather" have deep snow traction. Last year, we got a hair over 3 feet all at once.

Studded tires are legal here in Maryland. Personally I have never used studded tires before. But my dad does every year. This year I may. Hmm....maybe. :)

So you think the Firestones would be better for "deeper" snow ?

CraigRT
12-23-2010, 05:38 PM
#1. They are awesome, I have those on my sedan.
I have Blizzak WS-70's on my wagon and they are not as good as the Altimax Arctic's or Nordfrost 3 or whichever variant of that tread pattern you get. (They are sold under a few names, I have the Generals)

MentalIlness
12-23-2010, 05:41 PM
#1. They are awesome, I have those on my sedan.
I have Blizzak WS-70's on my wagon and they are not as good as the Altimax Arctic's or Nordfrost 3 or whichever variant of that tread pattern you get. (They are sold under a few names, I have the Generals)

Have you had them in deep snow ? If you have, how are they for stopping and cornering ?

ShawnD1
12-23-2010, 06:29 PM
Yea, I live in the mountains. Even over in town, 95% of the streets is either up or down inclines.
foooooock.

That's it, you need a new car. My open differential pile of shit can stop on a dime, but trying to accelerate is hopeless. My friend with the Subaru Impreza (cheap model) has shitty all season tires and he can't stop properly but he can still accelerate a hell of a lot faster than I can. He also never has problems going up hills even though I do have problems with hills.


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My point is that winter tires will not help you accelerate. If you have a shitty car, then that's what it comes down to. A shitty open differential with good tires is still a shitty open differential.

MentalIlness
12-23-2010, 06:32 PM
foooooock.

That's it, you need a new car. My open differential pile of shit can stop on a dime, but trying to accelerate is hopeless. My friend with the Subaru Impreza (cheap model) has shitty all season tires and he can't stop properly but he can still accelerate a hell of a lot faster than I can. He also never has problems going up hills even though I do have problems with hills.


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My point is that winter tires will not help you accelerate. If you have a shitty car, then that's what it comes down to. A shitty open differential with good tires is still a shitty open differential.

Please note, that they are not "steep" inclines. Inclines are probably a "hair smidge" less than something like a wheel chair ramp at a grocery store. Hell, even the "main" stop light over in town, sitting at it...I am sitting on a "slight" incline.

Winter tires are going on this. It has anti-lock and traction control as well.

http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad27/MentalIlness/2-3.jpg

http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad27/MentalIlness/1-3.jpg

ShawnD1
12-23-2010, 06:42 PM
My car has traction control as well. It doesn't help you accelerate. What traction control does is prevent you from spinning the tires which would then cause the car to understeer and potentially fly off the road (if you were doing this while turning). It can also prevent the car from getting stuck sometimes. It's a nice system and I'm glad it's there, but it doesn't seem to help with acceleration on ice. On snow, the traction control actually makes things accelerate a lot slower. If I turn it off, the tires can spin and throw a bunch of snow which helps accelerate a little. With the traction control on, it doesn't allow that to happen and the car sloooooowly accelerates.

Of course Toyota and GM use different logic systems, but it's the same underlying idea.
There is really no replacement for a good limited slip or locking differential, unfortunately.

MentalIlness
12-23-2010, 06:44 PM
My car has traction control as well. It doesn't help you accelerate. What traction control does is prevent you from spinning the tires which would then cause the car to understeer and potentially fly off the road (if you were doing this while turning). It can also prevent the car from getting stuck sometimes. It's a nice system and I'm glad it's there, but it doesn't seem to help with acceleration on ice. On snow, the traction control actually makes things accelerate a lot slower. If I turn it off, the tires can spin and throw a bunch of snow which helps accelerate a little. With the traction control on, it doesn't allow that to happen and the car sloooooowly accelerates.

Of course Toyota and GM use different logic systems, but it's the same underlying idea.
There is really no replacement for a good limited slip or locking differential, unfortunately.

Points Noted :) :)

However, its not the accelerating that I am going for. I just want good traction for "deep" snow, and to be able to stop when I want to :)

And good turning is a plus as well. Where I live, no one really runs over 40 in anything over 6 inches.

In a nutshell, Id like to be able to pull out when I need to without sitting there spinning with traffic behind me. :)

jlee
12-23-2010, 06:45 PM
I have Firestone Winterforce tires on my Forester XT -- I haven't had any deep snow yet, unfortunately, but in the snow I have had to play with they grip pretty well. I towed a Scion up a decent (snowy) hill with no wheelspin on my end. :)

I have also heard very good things about the General Altimax Arctic - if I hadn't found an incredible deal on the Winterforce tires, I was going to buy the General tires.

iGas
12-23-2010, 07:59 PM
SHould have never been split. We were told when they split it that they would give it a few weeks, and then do a poll. Well that poll never happened, unless I missed it.
I don't remember a poll. However, IMHO guns and related topics should have their own forum, because it is annoying as hell to see similar gun threads popping up several times per week.

CraigRT
12-23-2010, 08:17 PM
Have you had them in deep snow ? If you have, how are they for stopping and cornering ?

I think they are great in pretty much all conditions.
The biggest thing I like about the Altimax's is they are very composed on pavement. In other words, they don't squirm all over the place like my WS-70's do. They just drive like a good all season tire but stick like glue in the snow. They are my favorite winter tires I've had overall.