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yummyvegetables
07-03-2010, 02:44 PM
I was making a right turn on a green light and this kid on the opposite was making a left turn, i wasn't stopping nor did he so we were both headed to the same direction without stopping, he then honk at me.

I thought i have the right of way?D:

jlee
07-03-2010, 02:48 PM
Per NH:

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/xxi/265/265-mrg.htm

Section 265:29

265:29 Vehicle Turning Left. – The driver of a vehicle intending to turn to the left within an intersection or into an alley, private road, or driveway shall yield the right of way to any vehicle approaching from the opposite direction which is within the intersection or so close thereto as to constitute an immediate hazard.

Howard
07-03-2010, 03:21 PM
Yeah, I think technically left turners have to yield, but if there's nobody going straight against me, I'll just go ahead. If anything, I can just slow down inside the intersection.

EDIT: I ONLY do this if where we're both turning has two lanes. If there's only one lane, I obviously let all right-turners have right of way.

thescreensavers
07-03-2010, 03:24 PM
I was making a right turn on a green light and this kid on the opposite was making a left turn, i wasn't stopping nor did he so we were both headed to the same direction without stopping, he then honk at me.

I thought i have the right of way?D:


You do, but you should of stopped imo, not worth the headache of getting hit.

BlackTigers
07-03-2010, 03:28 PM
Let him plow into you, and hope he has insurance lol

JulesMaximus
07-03-2010, 06:12 PM
Guy making the right turn has right of way.

The guy who honked at you is a clueless moron.

soydios
07-03-2010, 09:49 PM
Guy making the right turn has right of way.

The guy who honked at you is a clueless moron.

+1

MotF Bane
07-03-2010, 09:50 PM
Left turn yields. Ignore him, he's an idiot.

MJinZ
07-03-2010, 09:51 PM
I was making a right turn on a green light and this kid on the opposite was making a left turn, i wasn't stopping nor did he so we were both headed to the same direction without stopping, he then honk at me.

I thought i have the right of way?D:

Yes, of course you have the right of way. A person turning left almost NEVER has the right of way.

RockinZ28
07-03-2010, 11:07 PM
Let him plow into you, and hope he has insurance lol

Not if its California. I was involved in an accident like this in 2005. I was traveling straight on a road that had a center turn lane in the middle. There was a guy in this lane waiting to make a left turn into a parking lot in front of me. I was just traveling straight in my lane, no stop signs or lights. About 30ft before I get up to the car waiting to turn, he attempts to dart into the parking lot in front of me. This did not end well, I had 0 time to react going ~40mph, all I could do was jerk my wheel to my left and t-boned the end of his car, as he was in my lane and still halfway in the center turn lane.

My car was dust so I walked into the nearest bar and demanded the highest proof shit they served straight. After doing that at 3 places, puking my guts out outside one, passing out in the bushes in the parking lot before the sprinklers woke me up, I started to stumble home when I was picked up for drunk in public.

I get the police report a week or so later about the accident. Yay I am at fault. Reason: Failure to yield to a vehicle making a left turn. Ain't that some shit, I'm guessing it was because he was a marine off base, probably drunk at the time too. And I didn't have full coverage, only liability, so I was SOL with my car.

I've often thought by that principle, I should be able to just turn left directly in front of vehicles causing them to hit me, and they would be at fault as my accident should serve precedent.
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thepd7
07-03-2010, 11:42 PM
Not if its California. I was involved in an accident like this in 2005. I was traveling straight on a road that had a center turn lane in the middle. There was a guy in this lane waiting to make a left turn into a parking lot in front of me. I was just traveling straight in my lane, no stop signs or lights. About 30ft before I get up to the car waiting to turn, he attempts to dart into the parking lot in front of me. This did not end well, I had 0 time to react going ~40mph, all I could do was jerk my wheel to my left and t-boned the end of his car, as he was in my lane and still halfway in the center turn lane.

My car was dust so I walked into the nearest bar and demanded the highest proof shit they served straight. After doing that at 3 places, puking my guts out outside one, passing out in the bushes in the parking lot before the sprinklers woke me up, I started to stumble home when I was picked up for drunk in public.

I get the police report a week or so later about the accident. Yay I am at fault. Reason: Failure to yield to a vehicle making a left turn. Ain't that some shit, I'm guessing it was because he was a marine off base, probably drunk at the time too. And I didn't have full coverage, only liability, so I was SOL with my car.

I've often thought by that principle, I should be able to just turn left directly in front of vehicles causing them to hit me, and they would be at fault as my accident should serve precedent.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4111/mvc001sd.jpg

english motherfucker, do you speak it?

mizzou
07-04-2010, 12:06 AM
this happens all the time at my intersection near my house, the entire fleet of left turners will just go and you are forced to just sit there and wait for them to leave so you can turn right. They keep coming until yellow light comes then I speed off before the other oncoming traffic begins to move.

Sucks every time, but I reckon it's because Driver's Ed is not mandatory in MO

MJinZ
07-04-2010, 09:27 AM
Not if its California. I was involved in an accident like this in 2005. I was traveling straight on a road that had a center turn lane in the middle. There was a guy in this lane waiting to make a left turn into a parking lot in front of me. I was just traveling straight in my lane, no stop signs or lights. About 30ft before I get up to the car waiting to turn, he attempts to dart into the parking lot in front of me. This did not end well, I had 0 time to react going ~40mph, all I could do was jerk my wheel to my left and t-boned the end of his car, as he was in my lane and still halfway in the center turn lane.

My car was dust so I walked into the nearest bar and demanded the highest proof shit they served straight. After doing that at 3 places, puking my guts out outside one, passing out in the bushes in the parking lot before the sprinklers woke me up, I started to stumble home when I was picked up for drunk in public.

I get the police report a week or so later about the accident. Yay I am at fault. Reason: Failure to yield to a vehicle making a left turn. Ain't that some shit, I'm guessing it was because he was a marine off base, probably drunk at the time too. And I didn't have full coverage, only liability, so I was SOL with my car.

I've often thought by that principle, I should be able to just turn left directly in front of vehicles causing them to hit me, and they would be at fault as my accident should serve precedent.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4111/mvc001sd.jpg

LOL!

Left turners MUST yield to oncoming traffic, but if a left turner has already engaged the intersection, and you hit him, that is obviously your fault for being able to stop in time, or attempting to cut him off.

I would love to see you try again and lose another car completely out of pocket. :thumbsdown:

Tsaar
07-04-2010, 11:27 AM
Here in Atlanta most right turning lanes have a yield sign.

That yield sign is there to give green light left turners the right-a-way and also make it where we don't have to come to a complete stop at a red light when turning right.

fr
07-04-2010, 01:00 PM
If you had a green light, shouldn't the left-turner in the opposite direction have had a red light?

RockinZ28
07-04-2010, 01:06 PM
LOL!

Left turners MUST yield to oncoming traffic, but if a left turner has already engaged the intersection, and you hit him, that is obviously your fault for being able to stop in time, or attempting to cut him off.

I would love to see you try again and lose another car completely out of pocket. :thumbsdown:

That's bs. Obviously people traveling straight have the right of way always if uncontrolled by signs/lights. The cops did me dirty to protect the marine. Just because he started the turn means nothing; this was not even an intersection. You can't just turn a few feet in front of someone with a half second of time between you and expect the other car to be able to stop.

My sisters boyfriend did this just a couple months ago too. Tried to make a left turn in front of a car at an uncontrolled intersection. Well he misjudged the timing, and a woman plowed into him. He said she had plenty of time to stop too but still hit him. This woman did not even have a drivers license, but the insurance said it matters not. He failed to yield to a vehicle with the right of way.

MJinZ
07-04-2010, 01:17 PM
That's bs. Obviously people traveling straight have the right of way always if uncontrolled by signs/lights. The cops did me dirty to protect the marine. Just because he started the turn means nothing; this was not even an intersection. You can't just turn a few feet in front of someone with a half second of time between you and expect the other car to be able to stop.

My sisters boyfriend did this just a couple months ago too. Tried to make a left turn in front of a car at an uncontrolled intersection. Well he misjudged the timing, and a woman plowed into him. He said she had plenty of time to stop too but still hit him. This woman did not even have a drivers license, but the insurance said it matters not. He failed to yield to a vehicle with the right of way.

LOL, better learn some fucking common sense or learn your State Laws:

21801. (a) The driver of a vehicle intending to turn to the left or to complete a U-turn upon a highway, or to turn left into public or private property, or an alley, shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles approaching from the opposite direction which are close enough to constitute a hazard at any time during the turning movement, and shall continue to yield the right-of-way to the approaching vehicles until the left turn or U-turn can be made with reasonable safety.
(b) A driver having yielded as prescribed in subdivision (a), and having given a signal when and as required by this code, may turn left or complete a U-turn, and the drivers of vehicles approaching the intersection or the entrance to the property or alley from the opposite direction shall yield the right-of-way to the turning vehicle.




This is fucking COMMON SENSE. IF I am making a left turn because I signaled and it was deemed reasonably safe, and you peel out traveling at 85mph, but going straight, and you HIT ME, YOU ARE AT FAULT.

If I am mid-turn and you hit me, YOU ARE AT FAULT.

If I decide to fucking park in the middle of the road, YOU ARE AT FAULT.

basslover1
07-04-2010, 01:29 PM
Shit like this happens all the time at the entrance to my neighborhood.

There are no green arrows in any direction, which means that vehicles traveling through the intersection and making right hand turns always have the right of way. Obviously unless the guy turning left is already in the lane then it would be my fault if I hit him.

When I leave for work, I make a right hand turn, and the dipshits trying to make a left turn from the other direction, 95% of the time feel that they have the right of way, usually because they were sitting at the light first so they feel like it's first come first served.

I taught one moron a lesson by plowing into his shitty econobox with a 93 F-150 on mudding tires, completely wrecked his car, and barely left a scratch on the truck. State Trooper gave him the ticket for failing to yield.

RockinZ28
07-04-2010, 02:05 PM
LOL, better learn some fucking common sense or learn your State Laws:

21801. (a) The driver of a vehicle intending to turn to the left or to complete a U-turn upon a highway, or to turn left into public or private property, or an alley, shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles approaching from the opposite direction which are close enough to constitute a hazard at any time during the turning movement, and shall continue to yield the right-of-way to the approaching vehicles until the left turn or U-turn can be made with reasonable safety.
(b) A driver having yielded as prescribed in subdivision (a), and having given a signal when and as required by this code, may turn left or complete a U-turn, and the drivers of vehicles approaching the intersection or the entrance to the property or alley from the opposite direction shall yield the right-of-way to the turning vehicle.




This is fucking COMMON SENSE. IF I am making a left turn because I signaled and it was deemed reasonably safe, and you peel out traveling at 85mph, but going straight, and you HIT ME, YOU ARE AT FAULT.

If I am mid-turn and you hit me, YOU ARE AT FAULT.

If I decide to fucking park in the middle of the road, YOU ARE AT FAULT.

It says right there, making a left turn you must yield until vehicles aren't close enough to pose a hazard, and make your turn when reasonably safe.

The guy that turned in front of me was neither. You can't just throw your turn signal on and expect vehicles to yield to you.

You must be one of the freeway drivers that turn their signal on to change lanes and just start coming over without looking and expect people to yield cause your light is on.

MJinZ
07-04-2010, 06:24 PM
It says right there, making a left turn you must yield until vehicles aren't close enough to pose a hazard, and make your turn when reasonably safe.

The guy that turned in front of me was neither. You can't just throw your turn signal on and expect vehicles to yield to you.

You must be one of the freeway drivers that turn their signal on to change lanes and just start coming over without looking and expect people to yield cause your light is on.

The fact that you T-boned the end of his car MOST LIKELY means you are at fault.

If he hit YOUR car with his front end, he would DEFINITELY be at fault.

BlackTigers
07-04-2010, 06:43 PM
The fact that you T-boned the end of his car MOST LIKELY means you are at fault.

If he hit YOUR car with his front end, he would DEFINITELY be at fault.

The difference between t-boning and getting t-boned in that instance could be a matter of a second...

Shit what happens if the cars hit at a 45 and both have fender damage, both having gotten hit at an angle? Then who are you going to blame, with your logic? lmfao

MJinZ
07-04-2010, 07:02 PM
The difference between t-boning and getting t-boned in that instance could be a matter of a second...

Shit what happens if the cars hit at a 45 and both have fender damage, both having gotten hit at an angle? Then who are you going to blame, with your logic? lmfao

How the fuck do you think it's done in real life? One person gets 100% fault? People are assigned % @ fault.

LMFAO @ You.

RockinZ28
07-04-2010, 07:23 PM
The fact that you T-boned the end of his car MOST LIKELY means you are at fault.

If he hit YOUR car with his front end, he would DEFINITELY be at fault.

The only reason I t-boned him, was because my instinct was to jam the brakes on and swerve left to try to avoid him, hoping he would continue his move and vacate the center turn lane and my lane. He was so close to me though, before I could even fully change lanes I hit him. My car was half in my lane, and half in the center lane when we hit. His entire car was occupying my lane with the rear still hanging over the center lane.

My other options were jam on the brakes and continue straight, which would have resulted in a full front end collision for my car, and me plowing into his passenger door.

Or swerve right and most likely cause him to hit me in the drivers side door or rear of my car, possibly causing me to go into a light pole or completely lose control and fly into oncoming traffic.

As I said, this guy made his turn when I was maybe half a second from him at best, for God knows why. Had no time to think about it.

darkswordsman17
07-04-2010, 08:04 PM
My car was dust so I walked into the nearest bar and demanded the highest proof shit they served straight. After doing that at 3 places, puking my guts out outside one, passing out in the bushes in the parking lot before the sprinklers woke me up, I started to stumble home when I was picked up for drunk in public.

:hmm:

LTC8K6
07-05-2010, 01:01 PM
Not if its California. I was involved in an accident like this in 2005. I was traveling straight on a road that had a center turn lane in the middle. There was a guy in this lane waiting to make a left turn into a parking lot in front of me. I was just traveling straight in my lane, no stop signs or lights. About 30ft before I get up to the car waiting to turn, he attempts to dart into the parking lot in front of me. This did not end well, I had 0 time to react going ~40mph, all I could do was jerk my wheel to my left and t-boned the end of his car, as he was in my lane and still halfway in the center turn lane.

My car was dust so I walked into the nearest bar and demanded the highest proof shit they served straight. After doing that at 3 places, puking my guts out outside one, passing out in the bushes in the parking lot before the sprinklers woke me up, I started to stumble home when I was picked up for drunk in public.

I get the police report a week or so later about the accident. Yay I am at fault. Reason: Failure to yield to a vehicle making a left turn. Ain't that some shit, I'm guessing it was because he was a marine off base, probably drunk at the time too. And I didn't have full coverage, only liability, so I was SOL with my car.

I've often thought by that principle, I should be able to just turn left directly in front of vehicles causing them to hit me, and they would be at fault as my accident should serve precedent.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4111/mvc001sd.jpg

If your description is accurate, there's no way that's your fault. I would have hired a lawyer.

Zenmervolt
07-05-2010, 02:50 PM
If your description is accurate, there's no way that's your fault. I would have hired a lawyer.

If his description is accurate, he should have been cited for fleeing the scene of an accident.

The problem with his story is that, if what he says is correct, then he basically made the stupidest possible decision when he left the scene to get drunk. He forfeited his opportunity to explain his side of the accident to the officer at the scene and he ended up letting the other driver set the stage entirely. He didn't bother to check witnesses or anything, he simply fled the scene to get drunk. That's not exactly high on the list of ways to get the police to believe your side of the story.

ZV

RockinZ28
07-05-2010, 11:35 PM
I did give a statement. I didn't flee. After they towed my car away I went to the bar.

The other guy lied in his statement. He parked his car after the accident in the driveway of the shopping center, and told the cops he didn't move it, that's where it was after the crash. So probably looked to them I hit his rear as he was entering the driveway.

I knew I was fucked when the first words out of his mouth were, "I was just off the base to....". This was right by Camp Pendleton, cops worship military there. I was too broke to hire a lawyer back then, not that it would have mattered with the police report, judge isn't going to believe me over them.

Zenmervolt
07-06-2010, 12:38 AM
You'll forgive me if I'm not inclined to fully believe a man whose way of dealing with being in a car accident is getting so drunk that he got arrested for it.

ZV

RockinZ28
07-06-2010, 01:12 AM
Well I had been out of work for over a year, and went through all my savings. The 12 months prior to that had been the worst of my life and the car was the only thing I had left. I had nothing after the accident and getting shitfaced seemed like a mandate.
Truth matters not in this country anymore, everyone wants money for doing nothing. Heck my dad clipped a car with his side mirror trying to squeeze by and broke their tail light. Woman sued for back injuries and medical treatment and won.

DivideBYZero
07-06-2010, 05:54 AM
This is fucking COMMON SENSE. IF I am making a left turn because I signaled and it was deemed reasonably safe, and you peel out traveling at 85mph, but going straight, and you HIT ME, YOU ARE AT FAULT.

If I am mid-turn and you hit me, YOU ARE AT FAULT.

If I decide to fucking park in the middle of the road, YOU ARE AT FAULT.

The bolded parts are not common sense, they are moronic.

If you are mid turn, and you made that turn without checking it was safe to do so, you are at fault. If you suddenly park in the middle of an intersection and get hit, you are at fault.

EightySix Four
07-06-2010, 06:25 AM
The bolded parts are not common sense, they are moronic.

If you are mid turn, and you made that turn without checking it was safe to do so, you are at fault. If you suddenly park in the middle of an intersection and get hit, you are at fault.

If he parks in the middle of the lane he'll get cited for failure to avoid a collision as well.

shortylickens
07-06-2010, 07:14 AM
I think its scary so many people dont know America has these things called states. In those states, they set up laws.

The OPs issue could have been solved much faster if he had told us what state this was in his first post.

Also, just based on what he said: If he was going right on a green, he almost certainly had the right of way. If the opposing dude was making a left, it was not a controlled left (or shouldnt be if the signals were working properly) and he damn well knows he's supposed to yield to straights and rights on the other side.

slag
07-06-2010, 07:54 AM
It says right there, making a left turn you must yield until vehicles aren't close enough to pose a hazard, and make your turn when reasonably safe.

The guy that turned in front of me was neither. You can't just throw your turn signal on and expect vehicles to yield to you.

You must be one of the freeway drivers that turn their signal on to change lanes and just start coming over without looking and expect people to yield cause your light is on.


Damn straight. The act of me turning my blinker on is me signaling to you my intent to merge or change lanes. I'm not asking permission to do so, I'm informing you that I will be doing so and that you should vacate the place immediately or risk getting your ass run over. Its a turn signal indicator and I am indicating my intention to you.





ok ok, so I don't really feel this way, but it sure would be fun to think this is the case.

MJinZ
07-06-2010, 08:31 AM
The bolded parts are not common sense, they are moronic.

If you are mid turn, and you made that turn without checking it was safe to do so, you are at fault. If you suddenly park in the middle of an intersection and get hit, you are at fault.

WRONG.

If there is something wrong with the car, you can be stopped in the middle of the lane, and ANYONE THAT HITS YOU IS AT FAULT FOR NOT STOPPING TO AVOID A STATIONARY OBJECT.

COMMON SENSE.

Did the read the paragraph ABOVE stating what the terms of the "Mid-turn" collision were?

ViviTheMage
07-06-2010, 08:43 AM
You all are wrong with this...this happened to my GF last summer, and it was 50% her fault, and 50% his fault. He had a green, she was taking her left (she had a green, not an arrow, so she was yielding),she figured it was safe, took her left, and they smashed in the intersection (his front end into her front right wheel well)...insurance/cops deemed 50% for both drivers.

IMO it was the other drivers fault, he was on his SECOND rental from getting into 2 previous accidents in the week...that is right, he destroyed his main car, and a rental, and a second rental in about 3 days.

MJinZ
07-06-2010, 08:48 AM
You all are wrong with this...this happened to my GF last summer, and it was 50% her fault, and 50% his fault. He had a green, she was taking her left (she had a green, not an arrow, so she was yielding),she figured it was safe, took her left, and they smashed in the intersection (his front end into her front right wheel well)...insurance/cops deemed 50% for both drivers.

IMO it was the other drivers fault, he was on his SECOND rental from getting into 2 previous accidents in the week...that is right, he destroyed his main car, and a rental, and a second rental in about 3 days.

Yes, Insurance, like I already said, will assign %fault to each party.

50/50 means both drivers fucked up, NOT that each person only 1/2 fucked up. (The whole fuckup therefore, is split evenly among both drivers).

If only ONE driver was smart enough to yield (the left turning driver in this case should have yielded before smashing into the other guy), the accident would have been avoided.

LTC8K6
07-06-2010, 08:56 AM
You all are wrong with this...this happened to my GF last summer, and it was 50% her fault, and 50% his fault. He had a green, she was taking her left (she had a green, not an arrow, so she was yielding),she figured it was safe, took her left, and they smashed in the intersection (his front end into her front right wheel well)...insurance/cops deemed 50% for both drivers.

IMO it was the other drivers fault, he was on his SECOND rental from getting into 2 previous accidents in the week...that is right, he destroyed his main car, and a rental, and a second rental in about 3 days.

AFAIK, as stated, that is 100% the GF's fault for turning into oncoming traffic.

The only way this can possibly be construed as 50/50 by the police is if they witnessed it and determined that the other driver could have avoided the accident and didn't. That is, that he had enough time to stop and made no effort to do so.

ViviTheMage
07-06-2010, 08:57 AM
Yes, Insurance, like I already said, will assign %fault to each party.

50/50 means both drivers fucked up.

If only ONE driver was smart enough to yield (the left turning driver in this case should have yielded before smashing into the other guy), the accident would have been avoided.

Or if the other guy used his brakes ... there weren't even skid marks on his end, haha.

It was a little more off balance with that %55~ him, 45% her or something more specific. There were camera lights, but they never pulled them to see if he/she was really at fault. Her car was totaled out too, so I would have thought they'd pull em.

ViviTheMage
07-06-2010, 09:02 AM
AFAIK, as stated, that is 100% the GF's fault for turning into oncoming traffic.

The only way this can possibly be construed as 50/50 by the police is if they witnessed it and determined that the other driver could have avoided the accident and didn't. That is, that he had enough time to stop and made no effort to do so.

If you really want the story, I can go into detail, but cliff note wise, he should be at fault, because apparently his light was yellow/red so he sped up to run it, and hers was still green.

I have no idea if his was yellow, or red, but like I said...he did not brake at all. This was his 3rd accident in a few days. I am still surprised they never pulled the camera.

Would have been funny if there was a speedtrap, and it snapped his plate as he ran it and he got mailed the photo of the accident + ticket for running it....at least there is one less PT cruiser on the streets 8) ... and the GF's Yaris held up well.

waffleironhead
07-06-2010, 09:04 AM
back to the OP...

Were there two lanes to turn into or just one?

NoCreativity
07-06-2010, 12:38 PM
One situation where left turn trumps right turn is when right turn is made from a non-public roadway (i.e. parking lot) and there is no signage posted to indicate that right turn has right-of-way.

Zenmervolt
07-06-2010, 01:52 PM
One situation where left turn trumps right turn is when right turn is made from a non-public roadway (i.e. parking lot) and there is no signage posted to indicate that right turn has right-of-way.

This assumes an uncontrolled intersection, which is not the situation described in the OP, so your comment is irrelevant.

ZV