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mmntech
05-25-2010, 03:57 PM
I work part time at a car rental place while going to college. I've gotten to drive a lot of different cars, trucks, and SUVs over the last year. I've gotten some of my own opinions on a wide range of different ones. So I thought I'd put the question out there.

What's the best and worst cars you've personally driven?

Give a little explanation why.

Here's my picks.

Best Cars:

- Ford Flex Limited 2009:
I don't normally like SUVs, let alone something that's trying to be a minivan, but this is the nicest driving car I've seen in it's class. Like driving around in your living room. Handles like it's on rails. Nice, positive steering, no lean around corners due to it's low centre of gravity, and can fit a load of crap in the back of it. Not as peppy as I'd like it to be but it has smooth acceleration curve. Probably the nicest luxury crossover out there. It's not cheap but you do get a lot for what you pay. If you can get past it looking like a hearse, it's definitely the ideal vehicle for families who travel a lot.

Honda Civic (any model year):
The Civic still handles like a dream, taking corners fast even in its stock configuration. I personally own the 2005 model and even for its small engine, it accelerates quickly. These things are also virtually indestructible and low maintenance. Honda still prides itself on reliability. The glass cockpit is a nice touch on the 2006 to present models. Still a good interior though I think I like the pre-2006 a bit better. Maybe not as many features as some other cars but you still get a lot of value. Suits my driving style to a tee.

-Ford Focus 2009 to present:
I'm quite pleased with the new stuff ford is coming out with. If I was looking for a new small car, I would definitely get this. Like the flex, this thing just handles like a dream and the interior seats get top marks for comfort. It drives like a far more expensive sedan than it is. The 2.0l engine is peppy enough for my liking. Also great value. I wasn't a Ford fan before but I'm definitely won over now.


Worst Cars:

Chevrolet Cobalt / Pontiac G5 (any model year):
I never had anything against GM until recently when I started driving these regularly at my job. They are a piece of crap. Compared to other cars in its class and price range, they just feel vary cheap. Junk plastic interior that damages easily, uncomfortable seats, handles poorly, and has numerous reliability issues. GM still hasn't fixed the problem with the wheel bearings that got ported over from the Cavalier. They still rattle at highway speed. They spend more time in the shop than any other car in our fleet. Value on these is ok but you can get a lot better cars for the same price.


Smart Fortwo (any model year):
It's a toy. I didn't really expect too much from this car when I first got behind the wheel, but I was surprised by how poorly it drove. Obviously it's extremely underpowered but it has other problems. The car shifts gears violently causing the whole car to pause then jerk. I've never driven an automatic car that does that. It also handles like a shopping cart.

It has relatively little on it for the base price, compared to the similarly sized and priced Kia Rio 5 or Suzuki SX4. Both of which are still nearly as fuel efficient but don't drive like a go-kart. I can see why people like the concept but the car itself is just not vary good.

lurk3r
05-25-2010, 04:13 PM
Best is a hard call, I like my Altima, but I would not call it a best I've driven, from a rental car side I have been happier with the charger then the impala than any of the other typical offerings. Jaguar's ride very nice but are too cramped for me. The SL500 was a nice all round car, so that'd probably have to be my best. BMW 3 series are too cramped too.


worst is easy

Chevy Malibu ~2000-2004

Mercury Sable ~1998

Ford Focus 2009 finally relented and tried one off the rental lot, the car was a nightmare, brand new and the keyfob didn't work (the key was the FOB, but doors and trunk would not open from either key), drove like a gokart, trans was constantly hunting for a gear.

halik
05-25-2010, 04:16 PM
Worst :

Grand Marquis. Books can be written about how atrocious that car is.

MJinZ
05-25-2010, 04:16 PM
Best - Mercedes S600

Worst - Honda Civic, Toyota Matrix, or Kia Forte. These were all rentals so it's hard to tell how much they've just become shitted on (Kia Forte is newish though, there was no excuse there). The Civic was one of the worst, insane wind noise, gutless engine, worst brakes ever.

vshah
05-25-2010, 04:18 PM
best car was my uncle's NSX...it was and is my childhood dream car. it was incredibly fun and easy to drive...i was 18. It saddens me that by the time i can afford one, good condition ones will be very hard to find.

worst: my sister's hyundai santro (indian model) in india. 3 speed automatic, 12" wheels, 55hp engine.

Imported
05-25-2010, 04:24 PM
Best: 200x Porsche 911 Turbo (Don't remember the year.. I want to say 2003)
Its a Porsche and it felt fantastic. Mashing the pedal put a huge grin on my face. Only drawback was the pretty stiff clutch, but even that wasn't a huge issue.

Worst: 2010 Toyota Corolla
Anemic, horrible floaty handling feel, piss-poor ergonomics. I felt uncomfortable taking this car above 70 on the freeway.

PricklyPete
05-25-2010, 04:25 PM
Of current/recent models:

Best: 911 Turbo and Cayman S

Worst: PT Cruiser, Dodge Journey, Dodge Avenger

daw123
05-25-2010, 04:30 PM
Crap cars:

51 plate Rover 25 1.4L. It's a Rover; what more is there to be said.

10 plate New Fiat 500 1.2L. The 500 is a POS.

The engine is gutless, the steering is far too light without any feedback whatsoever, the driving position is too high, the seats are uncomfortable, the interior is awful and the brakes are abysmal.

The only good points are that it has an excellent turning circle (you would expect this because of the size of the car), the exterior styling may be considered by some to be 'cute' and you get good fuel economy, although the mpg is not that great since you have to thrash the car to get the damn thing to move.

We have the 500 as a company pool car. Myself and a few others have vowed never to drive it again. The company should have bought a Mini instead. Most cars are better than the 500.

Edit: ayabe just reminded that the 500 also has bad blind spots on both rear corners due to the small rear side windows and wide A pillars.

The car is also unstable under any type of braking (I'm not talking about emergency stops). This surely cannot be normal nor right.

ayabe
05-25-2010, 04:33 PM
Just had a rental a couple weeks ago that replaced the previous "#1 worst car ever"(Dodge Caliber) on my list...drumroll please....and the winner is.....the Chevy HHR.

1. Worst visibility of any vehicle I've ever driven, A-pillars prevent you from negotiating all but the easiest turns. You cannot see out the back, the mirrors are inadequate to check your blindspots, the roofline is so low you have to keep a large distance back from traffic lights just to be able to see when it turns green. Actually had to stick my head out the window on more than one occasion to negociate a turn safely, poor visibility + crap steering is a dangerous combo.

2. Vague sloppy steering. I don't expect it to drive like an M3, but it feels like you are steering with mashed potatoes for tires.

3. Gutless motor that returns just meh mpg. My GF's Corolla would hand this sad sack its ass at any speed.

4. Truly epic levels of shit plastic throughout the cabin, if you love inconsistent panel gaps, rock hard plastic, and mold flash that will cause you to gush blood, then the HHR has what you are looking for brotha!

5. No locking gas cap, no I'm serious took me 5 mins of digging for the release until I googled and determine that there is no lock whatsoever on the gas cap. You push the cover in to release a cheesy magnet. For a car that starts at $18,000 this is truly a joke.

6. Let's talk about the windshield wiper stalk for a moment shall we? Well Chevy decided to get clever here, you see unlike most stalks where "up" is the default position, the glorious HHR actually has it backwards. Pushing the stalk down actually turns the wipers on, up has a slight detent just if you want to run it once. This gave me fits since it was raining the whole time I was driving this piece. Also, you would think that the rear wiper would be on the stalk somewhere, you know like a twist dial or something....nope it's way at the bottom of the HVAC controls, good luck finding that in the dark when it's pouring rain.

Honestly, I could go on and on, I get all tensed up just talking about it. The car is just flat out unsafe to drive in any kind of traffic. When I went to get this rental I had a choice of either a minivan or 1 of 5 HHR's they had parked. If I had to make the same choice again, it's the minivan for me. I will never step foot in an HHR again for any reason.

I was actually amazed to find message boards for HHR enthusiasts, these people shouldn't be allowed to own a car, they are the reason that GM makes shit like this in the first place. One may argue that they just don't know any better, I don't buy it, I think they actively revel in mediocrity and have fat, ugly wives and stupid children and love a car that matches their other shit choices in life.

Zargon
05-25-2010, 04:36 PM
generally a rental model is NOT indicative of the actual car FWIW

best:

94 grand am GT, seriously wtf right? most rigid stock suspension I have even felt, cornered extremely well

99 carrera gt rs america - needs no explanation

worst:
92 base cavalier - basic transportation is all that can be said about it

Pulsar
05-25-2010, 04:39 PM
Best:
1992 Purple and Black Camaro Z-28.
Bought for $12k with 30k miles on it. Went like a bat out of hell, was fun to drive around corners. Never broke down.

2010 Fusion Sport
Quick, good handling, looked sexy as hell with the sport package, low profile tires and tined.

Worst:
2009 Kia Rhondo. Total piece of shit. Seatbelts were all broken, car wouldn't drive straight, was uncomfortable. I actually felt unsafe in the car. A small tug on the steering wheel would jerk the whole car off the road.

199X Oldmobile Alero. What idiot designed that car.

lurk3r
05-25-2010, 04:42 PM
generally a rental model is NOT indicative of the actual car FWIW

best:

94 grand am GT, seriously wtf right? most rigid stock suspension I have even felt, cornered extremely well

99 carrera gt rs america - needs no explanation

worst:
92 base cavalier - basic transportation is all that can be said about it

The grand am's were not as bad as their rep, other than that absolutely worst grey plastic they used on everything, you reminded me of my '95 Dodge Avenger 2.0L 5 speed, was plenty fast enough for me at the time, got unreal gas mileage and cornered like it was on rails. Today I'd probably get into in and immediately leap out in disgust, but at the time the car was amazing.

JulesMaximus
05-25-2010, 04:47 PM
Best:
Lotus Elise
Porsche 911
BMW M3
Chevrolet Corvette
Lexus GS
Mercedes-Benz CLS550
Lexus SC400
BMW X5

Worst:
Pontiac Sunbirdy
Ford Aerostar
Ford Tempo
Buick Skylark (mid 1990s)
VW Golf
Chevrolet Malibu (late 1990s)
Chevrolet Monte Carlo (early 2000s)

PricklyPete
05-25-2010, 04:50 PM
Best:
Lotus Elise
Porsche 911
BMW M3
Chevrolet Corvette
Lexus GS
Lexus SC400
BMW X5

Worst:
Pontiac Sunbirdy
Ford Aerostar
Ford Tempo
Buick Skylark (mid 1990s)
VW Golf
Chevrolet Malibu (late 1990s)
Chevrolet Monte Carlo (early 2000s)

How recent was the Golf? I've driven a MKV and MKVI and have to say that I've been impressed. An ex girlfriend of mine had a MKIII and I remember not being as impressed...at all.

BurnItDwn
05-25-2010, 05:10 PM
Hmm ...

Best
My 99 Chrysler 300M handled damn well for it's size, and while not "fast" to accelerate, the V6 in it was good enough to get up to speed in a reasonable time.

Worst
By far!!! Chevy Malibu ~ 2004 ... was a rental when my 300M was in the shop getting 8,000 worth of hail damage repaired.

I've driven a 91 ford escort which was bad (anemic! and nothing great in terms of handling.) I drove my dads old Dodge Omni for a while, it was horrible! I drove my dad's 87 full size Chevy van. That thing was a boat, but the V8 and RWD did have some redeeming factors. Also drove an 85 Grand Marquis, was a complete boat, but handled better than the van...

Currently
I have an 08 Forester, it handles/corners well, feels very "tight", and has no issues with snow. It's kinda slow on the acceleration, but gets decent mileage, has decent cargo capacity, and really, is very practical for me. I feel perfectly safe towing a couple of snowmobiles on country roads with a foot of snow on them. And it's a great daily driver for work. My only real complaints are 1.) road noise is loud, 2.) it's not fast and 3.) automatic is slow to downshift when necessary

I knew about all 3 of these things before I test drove, and have not regretted my purchase for even 1 moment since then. (though I miss my 3.5L!)

PhoKingGuy
05-25-2010, 05:13 PM
worst: my sister's hyundai santro (indian model) in india. 3 speed automatic, 12" wheels, 55hp engine.

You need an i10 yaar

jlee
05-25-2010, 05:17 PM
Best...probably my MR2 (sig). Worst..probably the '84 Ford Bronco II that I owned for a couple of months.

Zargon
05-25-2010, 05:18 PM
Best:
Lotus Elise
Porsche 911
BMW M3
Chevrolet Corvette
Lexus GS
Lexus SC400
BMW X5

Worst:
Pontiac Sunbirdy
Ford Aerostar
Ford Tempo
Buick Skylark (mid 1990s)
VW Golf
Chevrolet Malibu (late 1990s)
Chevrolet Monte Carlo (early 2000s)


more listed years or the list is worthless ;)

I drove a 70's c3 and an early c4, god such POS's, but all cars were then mostly

PhoKingGuy
05-25-2010, 05:20 PM
I'm only 23, but in my limited experience:

Best:
2005 M3 - Almost bought this over my GTI, was in mint condition with 36k miles on it for 35k, ended up being a bit too much for me to justify so I didnt get it.

2008 GTI - I'll admit it, I regret not buying my lease out or buying a new MK6, I love my Jetta, but this was truly a wonderfully balanced car. I will own another one eventually.

Worst:

2005 Chevy Cobalt - My first car, this thing was built by one armed autistic apes with down syndrome, literally everything broke at one point in time. It was so poorly put together this one girl I was dating at the time (not muscular or anything) managed to PULL THE FUCKING DOOR HANDLE off the car. I did the same thing to the driver side a few days later, go figure.

2005 Chevy Aveo - holy fucking shit, they actually sell these things? It was so slow that my friends 1964 fairlane with the 3 speed auto that hadnt been started in 20 years and was in bad need of a tune up accelerated faster than it did.

2009 Dodge Caliber - Simply put, they designed this car to be a rental fleet queen, there is no reason whatsoever that any one would buy one of these new. If you did, you deserve to have your license confiscated.

KIAman
05-25-2010, 05:28 PM
Best Modern Car - E92 M3 DCT
Best Any Car - 1996 Acura NSX
Worst Modern Car - Corolla
Worst Any Car - 86 Ford Escort Hatchback

Apex
05-25-2010, 05:59 PM
Best: Koenigsegg CCX - Unbelievable torque pretty much everywhere in the powerband. Very usable for a hypercar. Engine sounds incredible. Well laid out controls with great tactile feel.

Worst: Probably a Ford Focus, rental.

InflatableBuddha
05-25-2010, 06:00 PM
Liked:

1997 Ford Contour Sport (V6)
2002 Civic Si Veloz
1992 Honda Accord EX-R

Disliked:

1997 Dodge Caravan SE (V6)

Neutral:

1987 Subaru GL-10

KentState
05-25-2010, 10:05 PM
Best
My '10 Vette
'04 WRX STi

Worst
'08 base Sebring

When my CTS was rear ended, I was given the Sebring as the loaner. My lord, that car was wrong in every which way possible. It literally took 10+ seconds, pulling out of the sub division I lived in at the time, to get up to speed climbing the hill on the main road at WOT.

Gibson486
05-25-2010, 10:12 PM
My gf has a new Corolla...i really do not think it is that bad.

MDE
05-25-2010, 10:31 PM
Worst:
1990 Mercury Topaz. Where do I start? The anemic 95ish HP engine? The three speed automatic? Back seat with no leg room? The knobby things for the wipers? The ridiculous torque steer? It was actually amazing, considering the complete lack of power, but when you managed to get the engine going that thing would pull so hard to the right I thought there was something wrong with the car.

1991 Lincoln Continental. Underpowered V6, numb steering, air suspension would go crazy leaving the car leaning to one side, radio broke, power antenna broke, random electrical gremlins, no A/C, odometer stopped at 176k and took the speedometer with it. Drove it until about 225k when I smashed it.

Best:
1991 Lincoln Continental. My first car, and I loved it. Leather, power everything, electronic climate control, plenty of room for bodie- stuff in the trunk. Actually got decent gas mileage too. When everything worked, the car was a great drive.

2009 Pontiac G8 GT. An automatic I actually liked, which is kind of amazing. Plenty of power, nice interior, roomy, stylish, plenty of power, handled very well for the size. Did I mention the power?

sdifox
05-25-2010, 10:37 PM
My gf has a new Corolla...i really do not think it is that bad.

You are just saying that because she monitors your postings :P

theblackbox
05-25-2010, 10:54 PM
the good

audi a8
mb s550 amg
mb clk55 amg
bmw m5


the bad
triumph tr8
ford maverick
chevy chevette 2 door and 4 door (yeah, i know...)
mustang II cobra fast but c'mon.
prius

the ugly
dodge omni glhs (1987) actually a fun car to drive due to the power to weight ratio, but a godless ugly car. :)

amdhunter
05-25-2010, 11:06 PM
Best:
Audi S4 2010, even though the steering was slightly disconnected feeling.

Worst:
My fathers 5.7L 300c. His current SRT8 300 is so much better feeling.

Viperoni
05-25-2010, 11:34 PM
Best:

2009 Renault Clio Cup Sport
2009 Audi A4 wagon TDI
1992 Nissan NX2000

Neutral:

2009 Cobalt SS with mods
2002 Altima 3.5

Worst:

1991 Mercury Topaz
1997 Honda Civic (my friends; was and still is in very poor condition lol)
1997 Cavalier Z24

superccs
05-26-2010, 12:02 AM
03-04 S2000 and current gent celica GTE are hilariously fun to drive
90 HONDA CRX all time fun small car.
03 M5 very nice

Worst 83 Oldsmobile cutlass wagon

endlessmike
05-26-2010, 09:12 AM
My dad bought an '85 Escort 4-door hatch in the mid-90s for my sister to get her license with and drive to work. Shutting the doors offered a feeling about as solid as putting the lid on a metal trashcan. The rear doors ended up sticking shut. You could hear the fuel sloshing around in the tank. It had a tow hitch on the back, it failed emissions check with a cracked intake head. It would overheat sitting in drive-thru lines, it was best to avoid ever having to go uphill, and it was painted in the most generic white enamel looking crap usually reserved for cheap refridgerators.

And still, it was not the worst car I've ever driven. I mean, it was bad, but it was a $700, 12 year old, mid-80's econo-shitbox, what would you expect?

The worst, by far, was the Dodge Charger. Rental, to be fair, but that doesn't change the overall poor execution of this thing. The V6 could barely get it out of its own way. Visibility was poor. The interior was dreadful hard cheap plastic with sharp edges still left behind from the moldings. The steering wheel rim felt about as thick as a Q-tip and the feeling was numb, and I think Chrysler maybe bought the leftover white paint from the Escort factory at a discount. Now granted it didn't break down or anything like that, but considering the sticker price of these things, what's the point? It didn't look better, perform better, or feel better than any car in that price/size range. In fact, it did most of them worse.

I also had a Pontiac... whatever their little SUV was 2-3 years ago, as a rental. Same tupperware interior problems that plagued the Dodge. No steering feel, lots of fun odd pings and rattles, and a gas gauge that randomly dropped to E several times on the trip. Lots of fun driving through back roads of Alabama and Miss. not knowing how much fuel you have left.

Ditto on the G6, had one of those as my last rental, completely agree with the other comments about it and its Cobalt sibling. Piece of junk. It's not 1985, it's not ok to just build a car that's sort of good enough anymore.

TraumaRN
05-26-2010, 09:56 AM
Best:
2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid
1965 Mustang with the 289 in it
1956 Chevy Bel-Aire(sure it's a tank but damn fun car to drive)

Worst:
Early 1990s Pontiac Grand Am that thing was a piece.

AMCRambler
05-26-2010, 10:18 AM
Worst:
1994 Plymouth Acclaim - Not awful, but pretty lame. It's a K car for starters so I might as well have been an old lady. No balls on it. The brakes were shot and it idled like shit. Brakes were drum too so stopping power was limited. Maybe brand new it would have been halfway decent, but it was about 13 years old at the time.

2006 Ford Focus - This car was better than the acclaim, but even more under powered. The interior wasn't terrible, but its a low end car so nothing to write home about. Accelerating on the on-ramp to a freeway I probably could have pedaled faster on a bicycle.

Best:
2005 GTO - My current car and I love it. It handles like a tank in the corners but the power more than makes up for that. I love spinning the wheels and going sideways with it too.

2000 Ford Contour SVT - Best handling car I've ever driven. Cornered like it was on rails. The suspension setup the SVT group put on that car was excellent, the ride height perfect and the 200hp 2.5 V6 gave it a good amount of oomph to get it moving. Nice little 5 speed gear box too. I miss that car sometimes.

satyajitmenon
05-26-2010, 10:21 AM
Best (in order of preference):
'04 330Ci ZHP (E46 FTW baby)
'09 Corvette ZHZ (Big engine meets right foot)

Worst :
'08 Chevy Cobalt Coupe (ugh)

kalrith
05-26-2010, 10:40 AM
Best:

'08 STI
'79 Monte Carlo

Worst:

~'07 Dodge Avenger
'94 Escort station wagon

Possessed Freak
05-26-2010, 11:39 AM
Best:

1984 Jeep J10 - yes it ain't fancy but man was it fun to drive this sucker and beat it around.

Worst:

1987 Ford Aerostar - What a hunk of junk.

rh71
05-26-2010, 04:44 PM
Cavalier rental in Kauai... we smartened up in Maui with a Sebring convertible. Both sucked, but one sucked less.

Fenixgoon
05-26-2010, 05:20 PM
best:
1982 Suzuki GS650Gz :D
64-66 mustang 289 (the sound!)
1999 VW Passat 1.8T (my baby)

worst:
1994 mitsubishi galant - the transmission went out, so it was never the same when it got replaced. before that, though, it was a perfectly good car. it still managed to live till 250k, amazingly!

yh125d
05-26-2010, 05:59 PM
Best?
Volvo S60 R
1954ish triumph TR3

Worst?
Pontiac Solstice - ugh

Meghan54
05-26-2010, 06:47 PM
Best....

Hard to quantify.

Mileage....our current '02 Blazer with 208K miles, only had to replace the fuel pump and alternator, outside routine maintenance.

Fun.....a 1974 Fiat X/1-9. No power, but it handled like it had rails underneath it.

Pure power.....1969 Olds 442 W-30 convert.


Some other decent cars.....280ZX (good interstate cruiser), another 1969 Old Cutlass convert, a VW Bug converted to a woods basher, and quite a few others




Bad.....

A Datsun B210......couldn't maintain 55mph up any sort of incline, even with the A/C turned off

Ford Ranger pickup w/ 3.0 V-6.....for a V-6, it seemed to have less power than my old Fiat or VW Bugs I owned....a truly miserable vehicle

Kadarin
05-26-2010, 08:39 PM
Best: 2008 M3 coupe.

Worst: 1980 Pontiac T1000 (Chevy Chevette clone)

The T1000 had a whopping 70bhp and had serious trouble going uphill.

Pulsar
05-26-2010, 08:49 PM
I forgot to throw in another worst:

2009 Toyota Tundra.

We put sand in the back and the bed buckled so that the gate wouldn't close. So we had to shovel the sand back out, close the gate, then shovel it back in with the gate closed.

Who the FUCK decided to call this total POS a pickup truck. A Ford Ranger would beat it.

DrMrLordX
05-27-2010, 05:30 AM
Best? Probably my Dad's Subaru Forester XT. Only thing wrong with it is the windshield that has a flaw which makes it whistle at highway speeds (70+ mph). I don't think the dealership has ever addressed that properly.

Worst? '94 Mercury Tracer. Mine had the 1.9L Ford 4-cylinder (rather than the 1.8L 4, forget who made it . . . Mazda?). It liked to shake at highway speeds after awhile, the alignment was never right, it was pretty weak, the heater core cracked for no apparent reason at one point, it was just bad. It worked as a daily driver, but I ran it into the ground without pushing it very hard; it made a horrendous noise at about 100k, prompting me to sell it to a guy for $25 so I would not have to have it towed (he was fixing it up for some woman on welfare who needed transportation). I bought it used, woulda felt cheated had I bought it new.

That's saying a lot since I learned to drive on an '84 Chevy Celebrity station wagon, aka The Megawagon. That was the second worst car I ever drove.

TwinsenTacquito
05-27-2010, 09:01 AM
Best:

-C6 Corvette, C5 Corvette, C4 Corvette, very strongly in that order. They feel right to me. There are other cars that they compete with that I'd like to try out, but meh, I'm not made of money. Plus, you can really beat on these Chevy products. They don't have "potential performance if things didn't keep breaking" like other GT cars that cost a lot more.

-CTS, CTS-V, 2003/2004/2006(/7?). Emphasis on the V. Best sedans ever. I'm not a sedan guy, but a CTS could make me a sedan guy. A sedan *drumroll* that you can beat on.

-G35, G37 (ok, so I haven't driven a G37, but I figure it's just the same but a little bit worse because it's newer). Great cars. Umm... they uh... stuff works and is good. Yeah, that about covers everything. They're "very good." Which IMO is very very rare, especially for a new car! The engine is very large and over complicated, but stuff doesn't break. Yay VQ, I can beat on you!

-1999, 2000, 2002 Camaro, 2002 Firebirds (the v8's, because they got the stufffffs). They're cheap and you can get a lot out of them. I'd upgrade the brakes day 1. Built to be beaten on every single day. I wish I'd had some miles under my belt with one of the newer GTOs... hate to just leave them out. :(

-2003/4 Mustangs, GT, Mach-1, SVT, a little big for my tastes, but they can do what I'd want of a car. You can beat on them their fair share.

-1996 Pathfinder, 2001 Pathfinder - The beatings I've put on these monsters is legendary. I have a hard time believing the beating these transmissions have taken. Congratulations Nissan! Yay VG and VQ!

-199X Nissan 240sx. Not special, but what a car SHOULD BE. Every car manufacturer should take a look at the 240 and make something just like it. Can you imagine a $10,000 RWD econobox? No, you can't, because RWD is now sold as some magical new technology mined from the center of the earth.

-199X Chevy S-10 pickups. Nothing special, but nothing shitty either. Beat on them, and even if stuff does break you can replace it in an hour without the help of a second $100 bill.

-BMW Sedans (the small ones), used to be the 3's, then the 3's became 5 series size and we have the 1 series now that are 3's. The mid 90's ones looked the best, and just about all of them are good. The mid 90's ones are also the least complex (but still overly complex). They do what they should, but they cost more than they should. Keeping them up isn't worth it.

-Volvo 240: What an ugly piece of shi... wait it still runs? Didn't you buy this car 30 years ago? Yeah, I'll help you replace your rotted out motor mounts. The only european car you can afford parts for, which is important, because at 30 years every single part is a "wear part".

-350z, 300z. Well done, Nissan. VQ and VG, respectively. The 350 is a big improvement in every way that I can think of off the top of my head. You can beat on them both. Hooray! Tranny is the weak point, but hey, I put these well below the Mustang and Camaro for that reason.

-199X Porsche 928 - too much money, wayyyy too much money to keep running, but they do what I want a car to. Don't really want to beat on them much. If anything breaks at this point in the game, sell the car. Or junk it. Worst car I've driven that I'd consider good.

-2000 Crown Vic, 2004 Grand Marquis - not the best cars out there, but the only boat of a car I'd ever put a single penny down on. I can drive one of these, then a 7 series BWM and not see a difference. They're both boaty pieces of shit as far as how fun to drive they are, but the Crown Vics cost like a dollar! They're better than everything boaty that's FWD, so that makes them a 98 percentile. Trip car. Trip car. "TRIP CAR! TRIP CAR! TRIP CAR! TRIP CAR!"

Worst:

-Honda ____, 1980-2005ish (haven't driven the very new ones). I've driven many, and I just can't say enough bad things. Name a part of a car... their one of those is bad. Can't get over the weak wobbly frames, the terrible brakes, all the mechanical problems that people swear they don't have, etc. Driving them is annoying as well, because I don't feel like winding them out to 6kRPM just to move along at a normal pace. Have had 2 in the family blow the engine before 500 miles. There just aren't words for the lack of reliability. At least when they die, it's within warranty (fuck you, Mazda and Toyota!). Don't try to beat on any of them, a lot of stuff breaks and they aren't made to be worked on, they're like disposable cars.

-Toyota Corolla, since they went FWD. I've driven a few, and they've all been neck and neck with the Honda Civics for worst cars of all time. Ok, the new ones, possibly worse than new Civics. I have to give Honda credit for one thing, they don't make the new Corolla. I've never driven anything so scary and unstable. The brakes are obviously better than a Honda, but the cars are pieces of shit. I put 2,000 miles on a brand new Corolla, ALL highway miles, and guess what I got out of it? A car that wouldn't start. Piece of !#$(!&#(!@&#*(. The 1.8's die a very quick death, around 20-25k miles. They're like rotaries, only the engine design itself isn't to blame, it's just the build quality... and you don't even have to beat on them for them to die. I really hate all the electronics they put in these things as well. The interior on the Corollas is for people that are 8 feet tall, yet have the legs of a midget. There is not one seat in them where my knees aren't jammed up against something, and yet I always have 2 feet of head room. Why are they so tall?! And btw, never ever ever beat on a Toyota.

-Toyota Echo - because... well Echo, you win all that is bad. Everything bad about every FWD econobox is the absolute worst with you. Well, except...

-VW everything (ranging from very old all models to very new just the convertible thingy): nothing is thought out. Nothing. It's not like Honda and Toyota who will cut corners and ruin a car. VW will spend two to three times as much on a component just to over complicate it or ruin it with worthless technology. Hey guys, we made our engine block weigh 1 pound less than our competition. The cylinder walls are now the worst in history, and the longblock weighs a full 100 pounds more than all our competitors, but look at that 1 pound lighter that the block is! Find a friend with a VW, and take a look at their jack. It's worse than a scissor jack. German engineering, in the trash!

-Lincoln Continental - FWD luxury car. Really, that says it all. But they also have piles of worthless luxury options to annoy you. Like the climate control. You turn the key on a cold day, and it starts blowing all vents to max spin of the fans. So you got that 0 degree air blowing all over you, and the little red light on is, because that air is HOT, right? Ughhhhh! Haha, somebody else mentioned this car.

-Pontiac Grand Am (1999 and 2005 I think), Grand Prix (2007/8?), Chevy Monte Carlo (FWD one, 200X), Chevy Malibu (2000?): pieces of shit. Bad. Cheap though... but bad. Just... blah. Still better than their Hondyota counterparts, but not decent cars either.

In da middle! (boringular mention?)

-199X Cavalier. Sure they're bad, they're FWD! But they're cheaper than everything else. What a total piece of shit car should be. Like, what a really really bad car should be (really-really). Better buy than whatever sells for $25,000 at the Hondyota dealership JUST because they're cheaper and "the same thing" to me.

-199X Taurus, both generations (I've driven 4 or 5, no idea on the years, they all look the same). Cheapest 6 cylinder sedan you could get. What's wrong with them? Well, nothing is right with them other than they're "ok to drive" and really cheap. Not the most reliable car ever, but not unreliable like the "quality" machines other people put out that were more expensive. If you had to have an automatic FWD sedan, this was the best choice.

-1996-2003 Maxima, all those generations. Best FWD sedans ever made, by a large margin. More expensive than the Taurus, so... whichever works for you and you're willing to pay.

-Late 80's Camry - yeahh, bitch ran forever. Terrible car the whole way, but at least it didn't break like the new ones. It was FWD, so it doesn't get into the "best cars" list with the Volvo 240.


Edited as I read the thread over, I'm reading what other people have driven and writing in which I've driven if they apply. Most are in between and forgettable.

KIAman
05-27-2010, 11:45 AM
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Wow, I'm impressed. You've driven all these cars?

TwinsenTacquito
05-27-2010, 12:23 PM
And more. Most of them aren't the best or worst, they're just in between. Driven DSMs and Supras and that stuff, but they're not the best nor the worst by far. Right in the middle there.

My parents always leased, so that's 2 new cars every 2 or 3 years. I've had 4 cars myself. I was a "car guy" in highschool and since. My friends crash cars at a regular rate, and we've been a core of 5 or 6 guys that hang out several times a night for 10 years now. Every Friday and Saturday night, when weather permits, we get together a group of 50-100 guys and we drink beers and talk cars. I've driven 5 240sx's and a 300zx in the past 2 years, they keep buying them and crashing them. I always ask people if I can try their car out when I get a chance. Also my father was always on business trips and used a rental to/from the airport, so I'd try out a car for a weekend when I felt like it. Those were always automatics. But yeah, mostly I just ask people if I can drive their car. I've never totaled one, so they usually trust me.

I have a friend with a v6 2002 Camaro that hasn't let me in like 5 times that I've asked. I've driven several LT1 and LS1 examples though. Just drove one with an LT1 built to LT4 spec (roller rockers), and with a nasty cam in it. I'd never driven anything with a nasty cam before. He said he spent a ton of money at a motor shop for them to tune it. However, his idle is at 600rpm and it's really fucking hard to drive even though it's not as fast as my car. I don't know why you'd spend $5k just on dyno tuning if it turns out that the fucking idle is too low for the car to be a decent drive. Just tell it to idle at 900rpm! AGH!

I've driven the new Camaros and new Mustangs. The new Mustangs are good, the new Camaros have terrible visibility. I haven't tried out the C6 Z06, C6 ZR-1, C4 ZR-1, new supercharged CTS-V, so I got no clue on those. Most of the cars I've driven are boring cars that don't make boringular mention. Or are too specialized. Like a cherokee with no doors, lifted, huge tires, welded rear end this past week. SO FUN! But... I'm not gonna own one!

Oh, and I pretend to be interested in cars just to test drive them. BTW, worst dealership ever for annoyance was Inifiniti of Hartford. They called me every day or so for a couple weeks, then once a week for 6 months to a year. Bitch, I told you I was trying out cars to tell my dad what to buy for his next car. I never said I was interested. STOP CALLING, AGH!!!

JeepinEd
05-27-2010, 12:36 PM
Best - my '97 Jeep Wrangler
I've driven plenty of real exotics, but you just can't drive fast in L.A. With the top down and the half doors off, the Wrangler was just a really fun vehicle. Going off road just took it to a whole new level.

Worst - my '97 Jeep Wrangler
Can't hears S#!t in the cabin when on the freeway, even with the soft top up. The half doors/windows would get sucked open by the wind, letting the cold air/rain in. It was an auto with a 3 speed transmission. It had enough trunk capacity to store a shoe box. Had to sell it when my son was born, because it was utterly useless with a car seat.

I'm having plenty of fun with my 4 door Jeep, but I really miss my TJ and am glad I sold it - even though I want another one...Crap...It must be a Jeep thing.

MetalMat
05-27-2010, 12:47 PM
Since I travel alot and get car rentals and I have owned a variety of cars I will give my 2 cents.

Best:

Mazda 6 series sedan
Nissian Altima
Ford Mustang (05+ body styles)
Honda Pilot
Mercury Milan
Dodge Charger SRT8
Hyundai Sonata
Ford Fusion

Worst:

Chevy Malibu
Ford Tarus (old body style)
Hyundai Tiburon
Dodge Charger 2.7L
Toyota Camry
Chrysler PT Cruiser
Chevy HHR
Mitsubishi Mirage
Ford Tempo
Dodge Omni
Toyota Matrix


There are many cars that fit into the average category, but the ones that stuck out on either end of the spectrum are listed above.

Arkaign
05-27-2010, 05:36 PM
Best:Worst:

-Honda ____, 1980-2005ish (haven't driven the very new ones). I've driven many, and I just can't say enough bad things. Name a part of a car... their one of those is bad. Can't get over the weak wobbly frames, the terrible brakes, all the mechanical problems that people swear they don't have, etc. Driving them is annoying as well, because I don't feel like winding them out to 6kRPM just to move along at a normal pace. Have had 2 in the family blow the engine before 500 miles. There just aren't words for the lack of reliability. At least when they die, it's within warranty (fuck you, Mazda and Toyota!). Don't try to beat on any of them, a lot of stuff breaks and they aren't made to be worked on, they're like disposable cars.

Really? I've beat the total snot out of 3 Hondas of that era, a 3G Prelude Si, a 5G Prelude SH, and an old late-80's Civic, and only had to replace CV axles, belts, hoses, oil, etc. Not just for low miles either, but all of them well over the 200k mark without issue. All of the interior bits, electronics, moonroof seals, etc also were trouble-free. Performance wasn't bad either, except in the Civic with 4-speed auto and a 1.5L motor, hah. Guess different people have difference experiences though. I don't recommend modding them though, I put a JR SC into the 5G, and was in the 12s and able to smoke most stock vehicles, but buying CV axles, tires, having to disable ATTS, and sucking gas like mad just wasn't worth it in the end. It would have been cheaper just to get a Mustang GT and beef it up, and faster to boot.

Anyhow, just wanted to share my flipside to your unfortunate experiences with the Hondas.

My best :

Hondas (above)
BMW E46 (325i)
BMW E39 (M5)
Focus ('08 5MT Coupe)
LeSabre (1995)

My fails :

'94 Escort
'94 Cadavalier
'94 Mirage

Those three were just total piles of shit, and they were new to boot. But nothing compares to the absolute horror of :

'99 Neon. Absolutely everything went wrong with this car, and it ended up going to the junker with around 60k on the clock. Bleh.

TwinsenTacquito
05-27-2010, 06:07 PM
Of the tens of people I know that have had Hondas, I haven't seen a single one last more than 30k miles without munching its engine. I've seen trannies go, obviously CVs go, and lots of stupid little problems that lead to more problems when you try to fix them. If you get parts from the dealership, they're much lower quality than the original OEM. A lot of them are just completely useless. A friend ate both of his insanely terribly made wheel wells when they touched his tires. Just tore right off the car, as expected. The replacements were so thin that I couldn't believe it. Right from Honda, stamped Honda, and totally worthless crap. He ended up driving the car without wheel wells because the replacements couldn't handle 65mph on the highway. There are just too many horror stories to list.

The best was this same friend and this same car. Three engines, three weeks, less than one thousand miles. Original Honda engines, installed by the Honda dealership. F that S. I'll never drop a dime on them. My friend paid for all 3 and the installs, they said it wasn't their fault because a kid that worked there said they saw him beating on the car. I told him to sue them, but he didn't, fearing he'd just lose when the kid said that again in court.


Also, they cost too much and the parts are very expensive, even though they are literally the worst I've ever seen.

Arkaign
05-27-2010, 06:13 PM
Of the tens of people I know that have had Hondas, I haven't seen a single one last more than 30k miles without munching its engine. I've seen trannies go, obviously CVs go, and lots of stupid little problems that lead to more problems when you try to fix them. If you get parts from the dealership, they're much lower quality than the original OEM. A lot of them are just completely useless. A friend ate both of his insanely terribly made wheel wells when they touched his tires. Just tore right off the car, as expected. The replacements were so thin that I couldn't believe it. Right from Honda, stamped Honda, and totally worthless crap. He ended up driving the car without wheel wells because the replacements couldn't handle 65mph on the highway. There are just too many horror stories to list.

The best was this same friend and this same car. Three engines, three weeks, less than one thousand miles. Original Honda engines, installed by the Honda dealership. F that S. I'll never drop a dime on them. My friend paid for all 3 and the installs, they said it wasn't their fault because a kid that worked there said they saw him beating on the car. I told him to sue them, but he didn't, fearing he'd just lose when the kid said that again in court.


Also, they cost too much and the parts are very expensive, even though they are literally the worst I've ever seen.

Jesus, you must live in some evil alternate universe. The only major Hondas issues that I know of are the infamous auto tranny failures of the ~'99-~03 era, of which my brother suffered from (TL-S), but they replaced it out of warranty at no charge. I've known tons of people (common cars of course) that have run Hondas with zero issues or complaints. USAF buddy has an original ('01?) S2000 that is on the original drivetrain at 190k hard-earned miles, for example. How else to explain all the old '80s Hondas we see on the roads all the time :)

darom
05-27-2010, 06:52 PM
Best and reliable: Honda Accord 1996 EX, auto. No issues, the car never let me down. The only major work done to this car were the front brake discs replacement and pads. Sure, no speed rocket or extra thrills. It was designed to move my family around and it did well. My step son totaled it later and I wish I kept it.

Fun: 1998 Camaro Z28 with a mild cam and heads/exhaust etc. It was nicely tuned, dynoed 397hp, idled at 800 and sucked a lot of gas. My only regret was to replace the exhaust, the loud drone drove me nuts on the freeway.

Worst: 1986 Mazda rx-7 n/a auto - I bought it in WI and drove it all way down to CA. The p.o.s. apex seals were going south causing really hard to start conditions. On the way back, I got stuck in Colorado Springs - I couldn't start the engine, it was flooded and I knew nothing about little tricks to start it. When AAA truck finally managed to jump start me with a dead battery, I left a huge cloud of oil smoke behind. Later, I would just inject oil directly into combustion chamber to give me compression. My co-workers hated those days when the garage structure would be covered with white tear causing smoke. The a/c died on the 6th day after the purchase, I spent over $300 trying to pass smog in CA until I got a permit to drive it from the state referee. I hated that car with the passion. Driving it in 100F weather here was quite an experience. Finally the engine seized up and I had to part it out.

After this, I got:
Somewhat fun car to drive: 1988 Mazda rx-7 Tii, 5-speed, turbo version of the above model, with good compression numbers, working a/c and a great paint. I felt like I was driving a Caddy after that 1986 fiasco. The lack of torque at low RPMs was disappointing. For a small engine I was getting only 18 mpgs. I regret selling it to finance my 1967 Camaro restoration project. I guess in the back of my mind I always feared the rotary engine apex seals potential failure.

I drive a 2004 Honda Accord EX, 5-speed now and am hopeful that it will be as reliable as my 1996. Again, it is slow, but has excellent mpgs with a working a/c. So far so good (knocking on the wood)...

TwinsenTacquito
05-27-2010, 07:27 PM
Jesus, you must live in some evil alternate universe. The only major Hondas issues that I know of are the infamous auto tranny failures of the ~'99-~03 era, of which my brother suffered from (TL-S), but they replaced it out of warranty at no charge. I've known tons of people (common cars of course) that have run Hondas with zero issues or complaints. USAF buddy has an original ('01?) S2000 that is on the original drivetrain at 190k hard-earned miles, for example. How else to explain all the old '80s Hondas we see on the roads all the time :)


I know nothing of their automatic trannies or their failures. I drove an automatic accord one time. It was as horrible of a nightmare as every other time I drove an automatic.

I hear all these stories about people that have reliable Hondas, but I've never seen it first hand. My friend that had those engines all blow in three weeks still swears that Honda is super reliable. I mean, never has he had an engine last 2 years in one, but they're sooo reliable! I can't say I have a friend with a Honda that hasn't had the engine blow, except people I know that drive really slow. In their cases, they should last forever.

InflatableBuddha
05-27-2010, 07:46 PM
I know nothing of their automatic trannies or their failures. I drove an automatic accord one time. It was as horrible of a nightmare as every other time I drove an automatic.

I hear all these stories about people that have reliable Hondas, but I've never seen it first hand. My friend that had those engines all blow in three weeks still swears that Honda is super reliable. I mean, never has he had an engine last 2 years in one, but they're sooo reliable! I can't say I have a friend with a Honda that hasn't had the engine blow, except people I know that drive really slow. In their cases, they should last forever.

Do your friends seriously beat on their Hondas and never maintain them? I agree with most of your other picks, but I think you're really off-base here.

I personally have a 92 Accord (auto) with 141,000 km and apart from replacing the muffler, thermostat, belts and hoses etc, the only part that has failed is the ABS pump. Engine and tranny, interior and exterior are tip-top.

Bro has an 02 Civic SI Veloz (auto) with 130,000 km that he drives hard - no issues.

Dad has an 04 Accord EX - 50,000 km, no problems. Mom has an 03 Civic (manual) with 80,000 km - replaced a faulty instrument display but that's it.

Should I go on? My ex g/f had a 99 Civic EX auto, my grandma drives a 98 Civic EX auto, bro's g/f has an 06 Civic auto...none have complained of problems.

I'm really curious what the issues are.

RU482
05-28-2010, 12:22 AM
Worst: by a large margin, without a doubt...my mother in law's 98 Chevy Lumina. Utter crap. crap crap crap crap. Even the radio sucked.

Best: 95 Olds Cutlass Convertible - probably because of the timing in my life (early 20's) and the power (which was impressive at the time, that thing would jump hard when the pedal was pressed)

TwinsenTacquito
05-28-2010, 04:44 AM
No neglect, just beating. I firmly believe that their redlines are a sick joke and that those motors really shouldn't ever spin anywhere near that high. That's my only guess as to why they never last under the use of some people and last forever under the use of others.

I bet if they took the engines that redline at 8200 RPM and brought the redline to 6000RPM (yeah, I know that means they'll make zero power), they'll last forever. Take the ones that red at 6500RPM and lower them 1000rpm too. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the designs. There might be bad materials, but I've never taken a look at a seized Honda motor beyond pulling a piston for the wall of shame. I just think that in order for them to post power numbers that are competitive, they have to say the motors can spin faster than they ever should.

ShawnD1
05-28-2010, 06:12 AM
Worst:
1990 Mercury Topaz. Where do I start? The anemic 95ish HP engine? The three speed automatic? Back seat with no leg room? The knobby things for the wipers? The ridiculous torque steer? It was actually amazing, considering the complete lack of power, but when you managed to get the engine going that thing would pull so hard to the right I thought there was something wrong with the car.
Holy shit, mein did this too. It was a 1992 Ford Tempo GL. It pulled hard to the right. I thought maybe I did something to fuck it up somehow.
It was incredibly comfortable car to drive, but it was incredibly dangerous because the suspension was so weak. The car would go into a skid if taking a corner faster than 20 mph on a nicely paved dry road on a hot summer day.


I don't know what's up with all the Corolla hate. I have a 2010 Corolla and I'm the only person who ever complains about how annoying the car is. My friends think it's a very comfortable ride. At one point I had both of my parents in the back seat and they thought it had plenty of room back there as well.

scott916
05-28-2010, 11:50 AM
Best - My dad's slightly modded C6 vette. Hit 1.3g on the onboard accelerometer in the Santa Cruz mountains with the top down and it was rock solid. That car is a blast. Joesmoke and I later took it to 140 on a back road... also with the top down. :)

Worst - By FAR, my old boss' late 90's Kia Sportage. I can't fucking believe these things even sold, most horrible piece of shit I've ever laid my hands on.

hanoverphist
05-28-2010, 12:19 PM
i havent had theh chance to drive many luxury cars in my days, but my dodge truck i have now is currently the most comfy ride ive owned. i like it much better than any ive gotten to drive through work and family. worst? the pt cruiser rental i had was the worst by far. close second would be a colorado my work makes me drive on occasion. the worst ever car ive had the pleasure of driving was an auction pick up when i briefly worked at a small used car lot here in mesa. i ended up driving a chevy chevette from holbrook back to the lot. it had been lowered and "customized" so poorly that every time i put on the brakes the front end would shake. it was pretty unnerving on those mountain curve roads. couldnt see anything out the back, and the car itself was too small for me. im 6"3" and at that time 220lbs, my head was rubbing the roof and my arm was outside the door. damn radio didnt work either, which pissed me off.

funnest ever driven was an early 70s toyota land cruiser we had on that same car lot, was a fire chiefs truck from williams, az. fully loaded, great 4X4. i had a great time using that for "deliveries" until it got sold.

KIAman
05-28-2010, 01:27 PM
Best - My dad's slightly modded C6 vette. Hit 1.3g on the onboard accelerometer in the Santa Cruz mountains with the top down and it was rock solid. That car is a blast. Joesmoke and I later took it to 140 on a back road... also with the top down. :)

Worst - By FAR, my old boss' late 90's Kia Sportage. I can't fucking believe these things even sold, most horrible piece of shit I've ever laid my hands on.

Ahahahahaha, I owned a 1996 KIA Sportage from 1996-2006. 10 trouble free years and almost 200,000 miles. Yeah, the interior was falling apart, the manual transmission was a POS, the 2.0L i4 engine was WAY overworked for a 4400lb car but.... Best investment of $2200 ever. Saved enough money to buy my next car with cash 10 years later (2006 BMW 330i).

PricklyPete
05-28-2010, 01:38 PM
Ahahahahaha, I owned a 1996 KIA Sportage from 1996-2006. 10 trouble free years and almost 200,000 miles. Yeah, the interior was falling apart, the manual transmission was a POS, the 2.0L i4 engine was WAY overworked for a 4400lb car but.... Best investment of $2200 ever. Saved enough money to buy my next car with cash 10 years later (2006 BMW 330i).

It only cost you $2200? For even a Kia that seems like a steal.

KIAman
05-28-2010, 01:49 PM
It only cost you $2200? For even a Kia that seems like a steal.

The people I purchased from got it for like $13,000 plus change. It was a stripped model with only an AM/FM radio and no other options at all. It had some body damage they never repaired and they claimed it had random issues they could never resolve. They owe me several favors and offered to sell me the car for what they owed on it, so I took it. I never got any of the issues they described.

InflatableBuddha
05-28-2010, 02:11 PM
No neglect, just beating. I firmly believe that their redlines are a sick joke and that those motors really shouldn't ever spin anywhere near that high. That's my only guess as to why they never last under the use of some people and last forever under the use of others.

I bet if they took the engines that redline at 8200 RPM and brought the redline to 6000RPM (yeah, I know that means they'll make zero power), they'll last forever. Take the ones that red at 6500RPM and lower them 1000rpm too. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the designs. There might be bad materials, but I've never taken a look at a seized Honda motor beyond pulling a piston for the wall of shame. I just think that in order for them to post power numbers that are competitive, they have to say the motors can spin faster than they ever should.

LOL, that's the whole idea of these small engines - minimal power and good fuel economy most of the time, and you only wind it up if you need acceleration.

8200 is a bit of an exaggeration though - my Accord redlines at 6200 rpm, the 6th gen Civics redline at around 6700-6800. Maybe you're talking about the SI and SIR versions?

Anyways, with the autos, you'd have to be intentionally running them in low gear, which is retarded on any car. Even when you floor it in Drive, they shift well before redline.

CurseTheSky
05-28-2010, 03:24 PM
Best: probably my current 2008 Fusion SE V6 with ~40k miles. It's not into "oh crap problem" territory yet, but it's been a pleasure to drive. I've driven other, more impressive cars briefly (a few classics, a luxury car here and there, a couple of Mustangs and a C5 Vette) but nothing really made me feel at home - probably because they weren't mine and I was afraid to beat on them.

Worst: either a '97 Taurus or a '03 Mustang V6. The Taurus was falling apart in every way possible (not mine, thank God) and the Mustang (again, not mine, THANK GOD) felt horribly underpowered and handled like a pregnant walrus. To make matters worse, the Mustang was red. Even older, crappier cars didn't feel quite as bad as those two, probably because I was expecting them to be, you know, old and crappy.

ShawnD1
05-28-2010, 03:27 PM
Anyways, with the autos, you'd have to be intentionally running them in low gear, which is retarded on any car. Even when you floor it in Drive, they shift well before redline.

My Corolla is an automatic and it goes all the way up to redline before it shifts. That's when the car is in "drive", no forced gears or anything.

ayabe
05-28-2010, 03:40 PM
I beat the snot out of my GSR for 140,000 miles and had the fuel cut increased to 8500rpm due to new cams and valve springs.

Never had a single motor related issue, only thing that ever really died was my radiator.

Elfear
05-28-2010, 08:15 PM
Holy shit, mein did this too. It was a 1992 Ford Tempo GL. It pulled hard to the right. I thought maybe I did something to fuck it up somehow.
It was incredibly comfortable car to drive, but it was incredibly dangerous because the suspension was so weak. The car would go into a skid if taking a corner faster than 20 mph on a nicely paved dry road on a hot summer day.


Doh. I drive a '93 Topaz now. I'd say I'd sunk to the lowest dregs of the automotive world with this car but I've also driven a mid 80's diesel Peugot (looked like Spy Hunter going down the road) and a mid 80's Fiesta.

The slowest car I ever drove was a Citroen 2CV. It was a 2-cylinder powerhouse producing a gut-wrenching 15hp.

Best/funnest car I had was a '73 Camaro with the split-bumper RS package. It had a 13:1 355 small-block that ran on avgas, 5.13 gears, and a four speed. Horrible gas mileage but that car was the perfect stoplight warrior with the deep gears out back.

shortylickens
05-28-2010, 09:49 PM
I have only owned a handful but have rented many times and I LOVE test driving even when I cant afford it.


- BEST -

Mazda Protege 5, hatchback. 2002.
2nd car I owned. Gay as it looked, it was incredibly nice. Reasonably priced. Nice interior. Good features. Handled great. Excellent visibility. Lots of room for storage and held 4 people comfortably. Not quite as lame as all the other hatchbacks of the time. I miss it. Got nailed by a V-10 Econoline. She was only going about 10 mph but it crunched my front end up so badly I had to declare it a salvage and move on. Miss that car a lot. Given the fuel economy and low maintenance requirements I'd be mighty grateful to drive it today. But tiny cars suffer on a road full of SUV's piloted by assholes. Even though it protected my body it couldnt take abuse. Shame they dont make it anymore. I like this much better than the 3 hatchback. And its more practical than the sedan.

Kia Optima. 2004 or 5.
Whatever the super nice luxury model was back then. Rental.
Got this after I lost my Mazda. VERY nice. Just for fun I asked the Enterprise guy what sort of luxury sedans they had. They were all out of Lincolns and Cadillacs, but had a Kia Optima. I told him to eat me. He said "No, no, no, no! You have HAVE to try this. Its so nice you wont believe it." I didnt believe him. But Ridgecrest is a small town and I was in no position to argue about it. Nothing else available. Got it. Was indeed quite impressed. Very nice interior. Cool white instrument panel. Good power (I think it was the only model at the time with a big V6). Nice visibility and handling. Very comfortable. I had no idea Kia was making cars like this. Blew my mind. The lady I took to dinner was equally impressed. But I already told that story in L&R.
Probably would not buy, especially considering the latest Optima I drove was shit by comparison. Read below.

Pontiac Grand Prix. 2002 or 3.
Rental. When I went home to see my dad. Flew in. No car. I wanted something fun. It was. Got my first and only speeding ticket. Would not buy.

BMW's
In Iceland by buddy had a 1988, I forget which series. Very nice. Was surprised how awesome 80's cars could be, if they werent American. Almost got killed cuz I didnt know how to drive it.
Recently, I tested a 325 from 2004 (I think) and a 328 and 335 from more recent years. I forget which features the 325 had, it was a barebones model. But I LOVED the drive. Awesome experience. Everyone should try it. The 328 was a 2008 and in the xi series I think. Lots of nice features. Handled just a little bit better. I am also one of the few people who likes the new bodies over the old bodies. The 335 was a dream. About 70 more horsepower and a few extra features. That made me wanna live out in the sticks so I could really enjoy it. City driving is unpleasant with something so powerful. The only downside to them is the mirrors are small and all around visibility does not impress me much. I guess the idea is you will be going so fast you only worry about whats in front of you, but I'd prefer to see stuff on all 4 sides. Overall a great experience. Only downside would be owning something like that when the deep snow comes. I guess I'd have to keep the S-10 for emergencies.

Nissan Murano and Maxima. 2010.
Test drives. Didnt want to buy, just wanted to see what they were about. Awesome. For a mid-size SUV the Murano handles nicely and has lots of power. Normally these things are pussified family cars. Price was decent considering all the goodies it had. Blutooth handsfree navigation and entertainment. The rear camera was special in that if you turned the wheel, the overlays on the display would shift so as to show you how you'd be backing out. Seats the went up and down with the push of a button. Heated front and 2nd row seats, which was standard on shitty cars in Iceland but is rare for even mid-class vehicles in America. Keyless entry and ignition. Few other nice things.
The new maxima was one of the high powered types, and definitely drives much better than an average family sedan. Not quite as nice a drive as the BMW, but it has more features for the money and more stuff standard, like heated and cooled drivers seat and rear view camera. Also had the nice entertainment/navigation system. Overall was impressed with how far Nissan had come in recent years. Would have bought the Murano if I'd had a job.

Toyota Highlander Hybrid. 2010.
Same nice stuff as the Murano. And the Hybrid models dont have the issues, so it wont kill you. Only downside is they are so popular they are a slightly worse deal for the money. And the gas saved is not significant enough to justify the extra 6000 dollars.

Toyota RAV 4. 2005.
My mothers.
Yup, I said it. I like the RAV4. For a little pussy SUV its actually damn nice. Handles well and has plenty of pep (she got the V6). Decent interior and features considering how cheap it was. Not super heavy duty. She'd been rear ended twice and both times required extensive body work. BUT, it did protect her in each crash, so overall its a win. Great visibility. Only downside is like many newer, automated cars it has a tendency to do shit you dont like. Locks the doors. Cries when you dont have your seatbelt on. Headlights are ALWAYS on as soon as the key is in, and unlike my S-10 there is no way to override that. This particular model never had acceleration or brake issues so she's safe. I drive it once in a while when she needs it taken to the garage. Overall little maintenance and for a medium V6 gets excellent fuel economy. My only beef with it is its so powerful for the weight you have to be very careful when you push the gas. That sucker jumps if you dont know how to handle it. But it also makes merging on the interstate a real pleasure. Mom said she would only get rid of it for a Murano (I had her test drive one after my pleasant experience the day before).


- WORST -

Geo Tracker. 1991.
1st car I owned. Dad brought it home one day. Didnt ask me. Didnt ask mom. We were both pissed. Though for different reasons. Dad told me it was like a little Jeep. I told him to lay off the booze. BUT, it was actually somewhat nice to have in Minnesota. The 4WD actually worked properly, and the tires were more than good enough to grab the road. First thing I did was take a heat gun & razor and remove the fucking logos from the side. Car was immediately 5% less gay.
Over the years it had tons of problems. Eventually sold it to my cousin for one dollar. Was glad to be rid of it, and he didnt mind having a piece of shit.

Chevy S-10. ZR2 model. 2003.
Current vehicle. Also junk. Wanted something cheap with decent off-roading ability. All kinds of things needed fixing by the 40k point. Also hard to find parts and accessories since they switched to the Colorado. It was either that or a Nissan or Toyota. Now I know why Chevy loses its value faster than a Japanese car. Wish I had spent a little extra for one of them instead. But to be fair it has gotten me up and down the mountain safely two out of three times, so I am grateful to have it. Of course, now that I lost all interest in camping the thing is a waste. Its a fucking gas hog and doesnt accelerate like it used to. Too light in the back (like most small pickups) and it often loses traction when I need it most. I think pickups should be FWD by default. Of course that kills the turning radius. Truth be told the turning radius is shit in 2WD so I guess it doesnt matter much.
Only good thing is its much better than a Geo. Of course, thats not saying much. The handful of nice things are stuff I did myself, like the Viper alarm and remote start. Pioneer navigation and entertainment system. Those are coming out when I sell it of course. At this rate I will have to let it go for a thousand bucks to a repair guy so he can use it for parts. One nice feature is the small cab which heats up quickly. Of course thats any small pickup so again, no real advantage. After these two cars I will not be owning another GM product for a while.

Chevy Cavalier. 2000 (I think)
Drove it for two days before returning to dealer for the S-10. I didnt want another little pussymobile after my Mazda got smashed.
No need to discuss how much it sucks, I'm sure you all know about them.

Chevy Cobalt. 2004 or 5, I think.
Rental. Not nearly as bad as the Cavalier, but not great. And hideously overpriced. I look at them on lots sometimes. Can understand why a rental agency would want them, but makes no sense for someone to drive this piece of crap everyday. Feel sorry for folks when I see them on the road. Not only does it suck but they probably paid too much anyway.

Ford Mustang. 2010 or 11.
Test drive. Did NOT like for so many reasons. Mostly the fit. I'm only 5'3" and I felt cramped. Shitty visibility. Does not handle like I think a sports car should. Didnt move out like a sports car either. It was the V8, but not the GT. Kinda shitty interior considering the price.

Kia Optima. 2010 or 11.
Test Drive. Did not like at all. All the same bad stuff of a Mustang, and none of the power. Sad cuz I had that Kia Optima rental that was so much better its kinda weird.
Poor handling, crummy interior and features, especially for the money. No oomph. Amazed they even sell these things. Though I will admit it was a relatively low end model, and the other was considered their luxury line, so obviously theres a huge difference.

Saturn Outlook. 2009 or 2008.
Test drive. So crappy I may get mad just thinking about it. Shit features and interior for the money. Piss poor handling and visibility. Dealer didnt know anything about it. No wonder they went out of business. Way too expensive for what you get. I only wanted to see if they had improved in recent years. They did not.

Cadillac Escalade. 2005.
Test drive. Wow! People actually piss away 50 grand on these things huh? Did not like the handling, visibility, power. Should have been a lot better for a so-called luxury SUV. Interior was really not that nice all things considered. Not THAT much interior space for such a huge beast. Relatively few features. I think this is proof the American consumer is a spoiled idiot.

Doge Charger. 2006.
Rental. Just for fun. I would occasionally rent something for a single day just to play with it. My local Enterprise let me have it for 35 bucks, which is a lot more fun than a nice meal for the same price. Did not like. Again, for the money this thing has sparse features (American cars are like that). Did move out well enough, not the hemi but still powerful. Handling and visibility were poor. Felt like an expensive death trap. For something thats not quite a sports car but more than a family sedan I would expect a little better. For this kind of money I'd expect a lot more. Again I cant believe people piss away money on things like this. Would not own, but a good lesson to rent. Kept me from owning a Dodge.

Toyota Prius. 2010.
Test drive. PIECE OF SHIT! And very overpriced. Mostly it was the incredibly poor visibility that killed it for me. That thing is a death trap and most folks dont seem to care. Not much space, but you'd be ashamed to transport your friends in it anyways. Good for going to school and getting groceries in nice weather. Thats about all. Handling is not so hot. Interior didnt impress me for such an expensive vehicle.

Toyota Tocoma Sport. V6. 2010.
Not that impressive overall. Dad had a basic Toyota pickup back in 1991, before they gave them cute little names. I liked that one better.
This thing obviously had a nicer interior and features than my S-10, but still wasnt great. Liked the generator in the back. That would be great for camping. Handled better than my S-10, but that isnt saying much. Not much clearance on the Off-Road model either. Overall, not so hot. Certainly not worth the money. Actually, this should not be on the list cuz it wasnt a horrible experience, just mediocre.

EDIT:
Also got to take a coworkers Z06 around the block once. Guy was an engineer with no wife so he could afford nice toys. Good thing its so powerful cuz its not at all comfortable to sit in. Again, like the Mustang it felt cramped and dark. Unlike the Mustang it had real power and the handling of a true sports car. I guess drivers like the tight feel. Makes them believe they are at Indianapolis or something. But they arent. They are just driving an overpriced toy to work and back and probably causing spine damage which will end up costing them much more than the car. But it was fun for a short trip. Would never buy.

TwinsenTacquito
05-30-2010, 07:14 AM
LOL, that's the whole idea of these small engines - minimal power and good fuel economy most of the time, and you only wind it up if you need acceleration.

8200 is a bit of an exaggeration though - my Accord redlines at 6200 rpm, the 6th gen Civics redline at around 6700-6800. Maybe you're talking about the SI and SIR versions?

Anyways, with the autos, you'd have to be intentionally running them in low gear, which is retarded on any car. Even when you floor it in Drive, they shift well before redline.

The ones that blew 3 times fast were all D15s or D16s, I forget. The B16s and B18s seemed more reliable, but still bad. You just have to wind them way the hell out to have fun, and I really don't think they can handle that.

If you don't plan on beating on a car, then I ASSume there won't be a problem.

Pneumothorax
06-01-2010, 11:51 AM
Worst Car: 1984 Cadillac Cimmaron - my parents were new immigrants and wanted to own a "luxury" American car from the "standard of the world" That POS forever ruined my taste for American cars. My parents tried again with a '90 Seville. After those 2 haven't bought an american car since

Best Car: 2010 Porsche 911 Carrera - basic "stripped" model

NAC
06-01-2010, 03:39 PM
Best: 1989 Mazda Miata. Perfect handling, top down cruising, oh-so lovely shifter.

Honorable mention for best: 2002 VW Golf TDI Awesome fuel economy, IMO perfect mix of handling, space, luxury, and terrific highway cruiser.

Most folk’s definition of best: My current 2004 Audi S4 Avant. Power & luxury. I’ll probably miss it when I sell it, which is why I haven’t yet. But I don’t appreciate the power or luxury enough. Especially since I don’t get to drive it on the autobahn.


Worst: Mid 70’s Honda Civic. First generation, tiny, had no power but torque steer was just insane.

shortylickens
06-02-2010, 08:30 AM
Worst Car: 1984 Cadillac Cimmaron - my parents were new immigrants and wanted to own a "luxury" American car from the "standard of the world" That POS forever ruined my taste for American cars. My parents tried again with a '90 Seville. After those 2 haven't bought an american car since

Best Car: 2010 Porsche 911 Carrera - basic "stripped" model

So I will assume you arent German?

:awe:

Tweak155
06-02-2010, 12:05 PM
I like trucks so...

Best:
2010 F150 (I like all F150's I've been in, I own this one)
2008 Fusion
2007 Mazda 3 hatch


Worst:
Obviously I like Ford's but I don't know how Focus made it to best, at least not 2008+
Some Kia i rented for work that was really small, 08 model
Escape 2010 - test drove this thing... after being in the nicer interior models they have, I don't know what they were thinking on the base model for this car. The leather was meh, but still overall not a good car to drive all around.

Meh:
2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee - I liked it at first but it was overall a cheap and not roomy interior
2010 Cobalt (for the price of the car i thought it was decent)
99 Grand Am
2003 Grand Prix (for the price, though, is toward the lower end)
2001 Corvette - Didn't get to drive it much, but wasn't overly impressed
1996 Contour - first car, got it with 26k miles, lasted to about 110k miles before i sold it. Heard it died shortly after, but getting 90k miles out of it for a $6150 investment, and still being able to sell it, not bad

Estrella
06-03-2010, 12:04 AM
This is worst and the best you've driven. This is not a laundry list of what you think is w/e with scales of gray.

Please , keep it to two with justifications for each. No one is reading the laundry lists.

LOUISSSSS
06-03-2010, 01:45 AM
Best car: my own 2005 honda accord for 55k miles
worst car ever driven: 2007 jeep liberty with mechanical failures left and right @ 20k miles & 2008 cobalt with horrible ride quality, no power, breaking interior materials @ 20k miles.

Howard
06-03-2010, 02:12 AM
worst: '03 chevy venture

ergonomics are pretty crappy, and it's not a great minivan to begin with

also the windshield wipers have to be 'primed'... people who've used this type of wiper system will know

best: '08 335i, i think

Estrella
06-03-2010, 09:34 AM
Best: Audi S4 2010
Awesome engine
Awesome DCT(Yeah, I said it)
Seats 4 with very snug seats
Feels like it is on rails (I can only imagine what it would be like with the Sports Differential.)

Worst: 2004 Avalanche
Too bouncy/floaty
(It is not actually a terrible vehicle. I just cannot come up with anything worse that I have driven.)

Juddog
06-03-2010, 03:39 PM
Best: My Mazda3 2008.5 hatchback (mid year revision) has been an absolute blast to drive. Only 163 hp but for a little hatchback that's plenty of pep.

Worst: 1996 Mazda 626. This was the series of mazda 626's that was plagued with the CD4E transmission failures. I've had the damn transmission built 3 times already now, and this is at 130,000 miles. Other than the transmission it was actually a decent car, hardly had any problems for the first 100,000 miles. I curse myself to this day for not buying the manual version though.

CraigRT
06-03-2010, 04:47 PM
Best: My Mazda3 2008.5 hatchback (mid year revision) has been an absolute blast to drive. Only 163 hp but for a little hatchback that's plenty of pep.

Worst: 1996 Mazda 626. This was the series of mazda 626's that was plagued with the CD4E transmission failures. I've had the damn transmission built 3 times already now, and this is at 130,000 miles. Other than the transmission it was actually a decent car, hardly had any problems for the first 100,000 miles. I curse myself to this day for not buying the manual version though.

Can't fault the car for having a fail-o-matic trans ;)
I like those older 626's, solid cars.

v8envy
06-03-2010, 04:58 PM
Best: 2001 mazda miata LS. 100% of the car was usable everyday. Drop top, leather, nice stiff tires and a good stereo. Sounded great, extra comfortable, easy to drive. Oh yeah, did I mention I live next to a bunch of winding mountain roads?

Worst: 1995 Ford Aspire. I haven't figured out if that meant it was aspiring to be a car, or if its owners aspire to one day own a car. Got this as a loaner while my stang was getting a new head gasket at the dealer (at ~3000 miles). Gutless and unstylish to an epic degree. The seats were so uncomfortable I suspect they'd have given me spina bifida if I drove it any longer. Only got about 15 mpg since I drove it with the gas pedal firmly pressed into the floormat at all times.

FWIW, I don't mind the Caliber. Wife has an '08 Jeep Patriot, which is the same car. It gets 30 mpg. Nothing has broken, nothing rattles. It's roomy, rugged enough to withstand two young children and just feels and drives solid. 4WD is awesome in the snow. I can't see why anyone would hate it, it's a perfectly good grocery getter.

videogames101
06-03-2010, 05:06 PM
Worst:

PT Cruiser

Period

Worst car ever made.

herm0016
06-03-2010, 07:42 PM
one of the worst: kia optima rental with only a few hundred miles on it. just bad all the way around, interior was hard to use, steering had no feedback, transmission would search gears going down the highway.

best: my 99 olds 88 and my 2009 sierra half ton. the truck is wonderful, pretty powerful with the 5.3L gets better gas mileage than most full size trucks. handles great and has a great ride.

ultimatebob
06-03-2010, 09:24 PM
The only "bad" car I ever had was a 1982 Plymouth Reliant station wagon. It was horribly underpowered, handled badly, and actually flooded when it rained heavily. I doubt that you could find a better $150 car with 180,000 miles on it, though.

I'll put the rest of the cars that I ever owned in order from my favorite to mediocre:

1) 2007 Mini Cooper: Blast to drive, handles great, and gets amazing gas mileage. The dealer charges too damn much, though, and the parts are insanely expensive.
2) 1998 Ford Escort: Rock solid car, very reliable and comfortable to drive. It was underpowered, but got great gas mileage. Cheap to maintain and fix, too.
3) 2003 Audi A4 3L Quattro: Also fun to drive, and handled great in any weather. It drank gas like a fish, though, and it had a weird unattended acceleration problem that almost killed me once! Again... the dealer charged too damn much to fix things, and parts are insanely expensive.
4) 1999 Mercury Cougar: Cool looking car, and fun to drive. It was dangerous to drive in winter, though, and it broke down several times during the first two years I owned it. My favorite was the one where the door flew open at high speed due a latch malfunction... good times! The Mercury/Lincoln dealer charged a lot for repairs, but at least the parts were cheap.

Oh... and oddly enough, I've liked every rental car that I've ever had. I even liked the 2006 Nissan Altima that I crashed into a guardrail because it skidded out because of bad tires, or the 2007 Taurus that I practically destroyed when I accidentally took it off-roading through downed trees and foot deep potholes when I made a wrong turn driving through a state park. What can I say... rental cars are fun :)

CraigRT
06-03-2010, 09:40 PM
Best: 2001 mazda miata LS. 100% of the car was usable everyday. Drop top, leather, nice stiff tires and a good stereo. Sounded great, extra comfortable, easy to drive. Oh yeah, did I mention I live next to a bunch of winding mountain roads?

Worst: 1995 Ford Aspire. I haven't figured out if that meant it was aspiring to be a car, or if its owners aspire to one day own a car. Got this as a loaner while my stang was getting a new head gasket at the dealer (at ~3000 miles). Gutless and unstylish to an epic degree. The seats were so uncomfortable I suspect they'd have given me spina bifida if I drove it any longer. Only got about 15 mpg since I drove it with the gas pedal firmly pressed into the floormat at all times.

FWIW, I don't mind the Caliber. Wife has an '08 Jeep Patriot, which is the same car. It gets 30 mpg. Nothing has broken, nothing rattles. It's roomy, rugged enough to withstand two young children and just feels and drives solid. 4WD is awesome in the snow. I can't see why anyone would hate it, it's a perfectly good grocery getter.

I think I actually know why.. I'm willing to bet most of the people who drove a Caliber, it was probably an '07 model. My company had 1 or 2 in their fleet, and their mos recent one is an '09. I don't love the car, but let me tell you.. the '09 is 100% without a doubt, a better built car than the 07 is. Even just getting into the car and holding the steering wheel you can tell its much better than the older first year cars.

I hated the '07 when I drove it, and I am not crazy about the design of the '09, but it was worlds nicer than the older one.

shortylickens
06-03-2010, 11:06 PM
I like trucks so...

Best:
2010 F150 (I like all F150's I've been in, I own this one)
2008 Fusion
2007 Mazda 3 hatch


Worst:
Obviously I like Ford's but I don't know how Focus made it to best, at least not 2008+
Some Kia i rented for work that was really small, 08 model
Escape 2010 - test drove this thing... after being in the nicer interior models they have, I don't know what they were thinking on the base model for this car. The leather was meh, but still overall not a good car to drive all around.

Meh:
2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee - I liked it at first but it was overall a cheap and not roomy interior
2010 Cobalt (for the price of the car i thought it was decent)
99 Grand Am
2003 Grand Prix (for the price, though, is toward the lower end)
2001 Corvette - Didn't get to drive it much, but wasn't overly impressed
1996 Contour - first car, got it with 26k miles, lasted to about 110k miles before i sold it. Heard it died shortly after, but getting 90k miles out of it for a $6150 investment, and still being able to sell it, not bad

The old Jeep Cherokees and Wranglers are far better than anything else ever made.
New stuff is junk by comparison, and the new Wranglers arent up to the same quality. I dunno if QA went down the shitter or what.

LOUISSSSS
06-04-2010, 01:16 AM
you guys notice a trend that most people replying to this thread rate american cars as "worst"? i find that NOT surprising, yet i'm laughing.

foghorn67
06-04-2010, 01:53 AM
Best:
-Noble M-somethingrather
-4th gen N.A, Honda Accord (An outstanding vehicle for it's time, multiple levels above the competition for years, IMO)
-2010 Mustang with the Trac Pack. Can't wait to drive the 5.0.
-c6 Corvette Z06.
-Porsche 911. Driven various gens of this vehicle. It's a real treat each time.
-1st gen Lexus LS400. The dawn of extreme build quality.
-2009 Ford F-150. Really, for a truck it's awesome. Reminded me of the first time driving an LS400. I rented one while I was in Louisiana. I would drive somewhere at night, always looking for somewhere new to eat, come back during the day and realize the roads were gravel. Holy crap! Incredible NVH going on this thing.
-Dodge Viper. Not my thing. But golly, it's easy to launch this sucker. No training required. Rev it up drop the clutch, and go. You can only improve on reaction times to get a better ET.
-Acura NSX. Point and Shoot. The road is in your lap. Feels like driving a Formula Ford.
-On that matter, a Formula Ford.

Worst:
(Mind you, I drive an aging 2003 Ford Focus. If a new vehicle is worse than this car, even after several years in advancements, and the fact that they are new and haven't been able to get to the point of having stuff age...I hate it. No reason a seven year old economy car should be more refined than any new car.)
- Dodge Avenger/Chrysler Sebring. I swore the last gen of these vehicles were better. One of the few times in car history where the replacement sucked more than the outgoing model. Loud, unrefined, gutless, and an interior that made me miss my car.
-PT Cruiser. The only good thing about this car, it's that it's a box. I guess you can pile stuff up in there. But there are many other ugly vehicles that are better at doing this. Honda Element, Scion xB, etc. Even cool mirco cars like the Honda Fit are better at cargo me thinks.
-Chevy HHR. Really? Why was this car made? 1 point for being slightly better than the PT Cruiser. Minus that point for making the world's most annoying turn signal chime. Argh.
-Any Hyundai in the turn of the millennium era. My gosh have they come a long way.
-Dodge Dakota/Dodge Durango. World's worst turning radius. Supertankers can turn tighter than those trucks. 5.9L's are gutless. It helped kill mid-sized trucks and forever put small trucks in limbo land.
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foghorn67
06-04-2010, 01:55 AM
you guys notice a trend that most people replying to this thread rate american cars as "worst"? i find that NOT surprising, yet i'm laughing.

They also make the best. Only laughing at you.

TwinsenTacquito
06-04-2010, 04:06 AM
I'd have to say Americans made like the best 40 cars, and probably 90 out of the best 100. I don't care if their cavaliers and escorts had worse... door handles? than civics and corollas.

shortylickens
06-04-2010, 08:05 AM
I'd have to say Americans made like the best 40 cars, and probably 90 out of the best 100. I don't care if their cavaliers and escorts had worse... door handles? than civics and corollas.

In what year?

MBrown
06-04-2010, 08:31 AM
1990s Buick LeSabre.

ShawnD1
07-01-2010, 06:49 AM
just try nissan.


The irony is overwhelming. Someone made an obvious advertisement account named after the hybrid version of the Altima, they post that I should try Nissan, and they are posting this in a thread about the worst car you've driven.


Oh yeah and the worst I've driven is some early 90s Dodge Neon. The performance was typical for a car in that category, but the car just felt cheap. I can't even describe what I mean.

Raduque
08-21-2012, 02:21 AM
Worst:
The hands-down worst car I've ever driven is my dad's Pontiac Solstice. Noisy, with horrible sight lines, the NA 4 banger is too underpowered for a 3500lb roadster, the failmatic transmission is slushier than the one in my truck, and the seats are uncomfortable. About the only redeemable feature of it, is that 4 cylinder has one nice snarl to it at higher (4000+) rpm.

Best:
My 1988 Honda Accord lxI Coupe 5spd. Bought it for $300 with 250k+ miles, drove it cross-country twice, put another 15k miles on it here in Texas. It had no AC, the fans were wired up to a switch, it was beat up, the lights didn't close, but that thing ran like a swiss watch even after it was overheated and the coolant turned into chocolate milk, right up to the day it was totaled in my driveway while I was rebuilding the engine.

The In-between:
1998 Nissan Altima. It wasn't really good or bad, it just kind of was. I have no complaints, but I have no praises, either.

Arkaign
08-21-2012, 03:10 AM
Best :

3rd and 5th gen Preludes, had one of each, wonderful cars through and through
1995 Buick LeSabre. Ugly, rough interior. Never failed me once, sold it with waaay past 200k on the clock still going strong.
2008 Focus S 5Spd Coupe. As reliable as can be, outstanding fuel economy, high marks for being a great city runabout.
2001 BMW M5. Nothing more to say than epic. The perfect well-rounded luxosport machine.
1981 F250. Went something like 650k miles on original motor and tranny until my brother finally destroyed it. Coldest AC in the universe.

Worst :

1999 Neon. Horribad.
2006 Kia Rio. Plastic throwout bearing shattered, which in turn destroyed a clutch that should have lasted another 75k+ miles easily. Just generally a cheap and underwhelming car in every way, even in fuel economy.
1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4. Ugh. Everything that could break on this car did in fact break. Everything was expensive. Scrapped with under 80k on the clock.
1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse GST. Died with about 100k on it.
Rental 1994 Ford Escort. The most underpowered pile of garbage ever.
Rental 1994 Chevy Cavalier. Much more power than the Escort, but the mushiest handling/suspension ever.
Bosses 2008 Audi A4. Constant maintenance issues, weird rattles, snail slow for the price.

that's all from the top of my head for now.

Railgun
08-21-2012, 03:27 AM
Worst was my 95 Saturn SC1.

Best is a cross between my old 335i and my RX-7. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but I always enjoyed the BMW and the 7 is just something else every time I get in it.



A close second was my 2003 Mazda 6s. Other than the slushbox trans, that was a great car.

hans007
08-21-2012, 05:37 AM
most of the cars i've driven are pretty close on the "best" part since my friends and family tend to drive similar cars.

Best:

I have a 2010 A4 quattro its very good, but I'd say it isn't a "best car at anything". but i'd say the best car i've personally driven right now would depend. most fun i've had driving a car , probably a 2004 miata 6 speed i rented , though I drove a friends 2006 S2000 which would have been fun if I didn't stall it a ton, it was alot harder to drive than the miata. Most giddy I ever was? 2005 g35 coupe I bought when at the time I was 24. Probably best all around car of late is my friends 2011 335d (insane power, great gas milage, all the newer tech doodads). My mom has a current X5 3.0 with the turbo and thats probably the "best" family car that still hauls ass i've driven. I'd say the car that felt "just right" the most for me was in college my dads friend let me drive a 2001 E46 325i coupe with the sport package. That car just FELT so balanced. Though today maybe it'd not compare the same, but I just remember it feeling great.

Worst car:

Easily a rental 2011 yaris automatic sedan. Easily. I had a rental PT cruiser once, and that car was much much better.

mmntech
08-21-2012, 10:11 AM
Since I made the list, there's a couple others I want to add.

New to the best:
-Lincoln MKX: It's a souped up Ford Edge but damn these are nice. Got the same power engine in it as the Mustang. Goes like a rocket. Handles winter roads like they're nothing. Very smooth handling. Nicest interior I've seen. Heck, it's got butt chillers!

-Hyundai Sonata 2012: Best in the mid-size class, blows it's competitors away. Handles like a dream, plenty of power, nice interior.

-Kia Sorrento V6: Yeah, another SUV. Very comfy interior, handles well, and goes like stink. Kia is actually making some really nice stuff now.

Honerable mention (cars that aren't the best but impressed me still)
-Chevrolet Acadia V6: Cheap, looks like a tank, but powerful
-2012 Kia Rio 5: Shocks are stiff and seats are hard but it drives really nice. Better than the Yaris and Fiesta.


And the Worst:
-Chevrolet Malibu: not quite as bad as the Cobalt but still an overall junky car. Rough suspension, cheap interior, had engine sensor problems, pollutes a lot.
-Anything Volkswagen: German cars seem to get a reputation for quality. I don't know why. They always seem to develop electrical problems. Jettas will spontaneously leak coolant. Since there's no wet spot, I'd say the blocks are cracked somewhere. Not to mention they're grossly overpriced for what they are. Cheap, cheap, cheap.

unokitty
08-21-2012, 10:31 AM
Best

'93 Miata Black and Tan
Took that car the length of the Blue Ridge Parkway (http://www.blueridgeparkway.org/) more than once. Skyline Drive (http://www.nps.gov/shen/planyourvisit/driving-skyline-drive.htm) as well. Got down to Sebring (http://sebringraceway.com/track_map.lasso) for a performance driving school. Camping in the Joyce Kilmer Memorial Forest (http://theblueridgehighlander.com/Joyce-Kilmer-Memorial-Forest/enter-the-forest.php). Down to Key West on the Overseas Highway (http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/travel/road-trips/florida-keys-road-trip/). And that car never let me down. Though, the first time I went through the Tail of the Dragon (http://www.tailofthedragon.com/), I did have to stop to let my passenger puke...

Next Best
'74 Fiat 124 Spider (http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/2006/08/01/hmn_buyers_guide1.html)

BassBomb
08-21-2012, 11:04 AM
Best:
2007 Honda Accord Sedan (my car :) )
2000 Infiniti i30

Worst:
1999 Chevrolet Cavalier

Howard
08-21-2012, 11:25 AM
Worst: E140 Corolla
Best: 997 Carrera 4S

Vetterin
08-21-2012, 12:40 PM
Liked:

1997 Ford Contour Sport (V6)
2002 Civic Si Veloz
1992 Honda Accord EX-R

Disliked:

1997 Dodge Caravan SE (V6)

Neutral:

1987 Subaru GL-10

I had a 98 Contour SVT and yes it's right near the top of my list too.
Tied for worst.......by far was my 1976 VW Rabbit and 1980 Mercury Zephyr.

JulesMaximus
08-21-2012, 12:49 PM
Best (car):

2005 Lotus Elise (most fun you can have with your clothes on)

Worst:

1994 Isuzu Rodeo (biggest piece of shit on the planet)

Honorable mentions:

2012 Ducati Monster 1100 EVO
2012 Ducati Multistrada 1200 S
2012 Ducati Streetfighter 848
2008 Suzuki GSX-R600

Arkaign
08-21-2012, 01:04 PM
Since I made the list, there's a couple others I want to add.

New to the best:
-Lincoln MKX: It's a souped up Ford Edge but damn these are nice. Got the same power engine in it as the Mustang. Goes like a rocket. Handles winter roads like they're nothing. Very smooth handling. Nicest interior I've seen. Heck, it's got butt chillers!

-Hyundai Sonata 2012: Best in the mid-size class, blows it's competitors away. Handles like a dream, plenty of power, nice interior.

-Kia Sorrento V6: Yeah, another SUV. Very comfy interior, handles well, and goes like stink. Kia is actually making some really nice stuff now.

Honerable mention (cars that aren't the best but impressed me still)
-Chevrolet Acadia V6: Cheap, looks like a tank, but powerful
-2012 Kia Rio 5: Shocks are stiff and seats are hard but it drives really nice. Better than the Yaris and Fiesta.


And the Worst:
-Chevrolet Malibu: not quite as bad as the Cobalt but still an overall junky car. Rough suspension, cheap interior, had engine sensor problems, pollutes a lot.
-Anything Volkswagen: German cars seem to get a reputation for quality. I don't know why. They always seem to develop electrical problems. Jettas will spontaneously leak coolant. Since there's no wet spot, I'd say the blocks are cracked somewhere. Not to mention they're grossly overpriced for what they are. Cheap, cheap, cheap.

Out of curiousity, I was wondering which gen of the Malibu you were talking about.

I've seen the older models (early '00s, I guess 2004ish?) .. and they were pretty damned awful really. But the current ones are fairly nice imho, still a step down from the Fusion or Optima or Accord, but not bad at all. I haven't seen the fleet/rental ones though, often they can be significantly worse than even the base models off of dealer lots.

jagec
08-21-2012, 01:20 PM
Best:
~'06 Ferrari F430. Watch the Top Gear episode. That's all.

'89 MR2 w/stiffened shocks & bushings. Lack of power made up for with amazing steering feel, great brakes, go-kart handling, and the fun MR weight distribution. I actually towed a small trailer with this car. Amazingly, you couldn't even tell it was back there. This car is MADE for tight, winding roads.

'05 Suburu WRX, modded as well. More Grand Touring than go-kart, but I loved the power, the exhaust note, and that intoxicating turbo sound. Total boy racer car, but fun.

Worst:
90s Ford Escort. The cargo capacity of a small car, the sightlines of a box truck, the steering feel of a trash can lid and the turning radius of a cow. All this, and it's horribly unreliable, too? Wow!

90s Ford Explorer. Actually not bad off-road, but on the road it handles exactly like a small boat: Slow acceleration, heels over anytime you take a turn, and absolutely no brakes. This was a popular SUV for years?

~91 Subaru Justy. Honestly, as far as the driving experience goes in 3-cylinder cars that weigh less than the average McDonald's customer, it wasn't TOO bad. Unfortunately, it's still just a SLIGHTLY more upscale Geo Metro clone. Apparently they made a model with a CVT. At that point it would probably be faster to go on foot. Whether or not you had any.

Childs
08-21-2012, 05:20 PM
Worst: 1963 International Scout

Bought it for $1000 on CL. Some rust, missing shifter boot so oil would spray on me from under the car. 3 speed man trans and 350 V8...so it was very loud. Very powerful, but just loud and obnoxious. Car was painted red, but the doors were pulled from another scout, and they were brown. I would think the ride would have been like what people experienced riding in wagons in the old west. I still have a pic:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/811/scout1.png

hahaha..forgot the roof didn't match either. Yes, it looked just like this when I drove it. I bought a hatchback and was going to use this as a project. I had it parked at my moms place, cause I didn't have room at my apt. She got so tired of looking at it she had it hauled away for scrap. lol

Best: 2012 Dodge Challenger R/T

Bad ass. Everything I like about the old cars, but modernized.

xSkyDrAx
08-21-2012, 06:28 PM
Best: Mazdaspeed 3 - Tons of power, good handling, nice interior, plenty of space, very reasonable price. Love it.

Worst: Didn't get to drive this one but it still struck me as one of the most unappealing cars I've been in. It was a Dodge Caliber from probably 07 or 08. It was a rental car and it had a non existent trunk despite being a hatchback. Interior was cramped and it seemed pretty sluggish. Overall experience left a bad taste in my mouth.

Zivic
08-21-2012, 08:38 PM
best car:
lancer evo IX

worst car:
'99 Corolla

dtgoodwin
08-22-2012, 10:45 AM
Best: 2002 Chevy TrailBlazer. Yes, it has an interior from a time when GM didn't give a crap, but it has an absolutely amazing ride for an SUV, a glass smooth and very powerful i6. Has been my most reliable and by far favorite vehicle. Also owned it the longest of any car.

Worst: For reliability, my 2000 Jetta TDI. I took it to the dealer a total of 26 times for 6 different problems - Fuel injection pump ~$2500 Turbo ~$3500 - fortunately covered by warranty.

2000 Nissan Maxima. VQ - Really? I cannot understand why everyone gushes over this engine. It was noisy (first year with timing chains), peaky, and felt less powerful than my '97 Camry. Suspension was really firm with a GIGANTIC steering wheel, yet didn't handle any better than my '97 Camry

1997 Toyota Camry. Only had a few problems - like chewing through tires, bad strut mounts. Very refined V6, and great gas mileage. Total appliance though.

AdamK47
08-22-2012, 10:54 AM
Best:
- 1996 Honda Civic
- 1998 Toyota Corolla

Worst:
- 2007 Corvette
- 2006 GTO
- 2002 Monte Carlo SS
- 1999 Camaro Z28
- 1999 Camaro SS
- 1993 Grand AM
- 1986 Trans AM
- 1986 Camaro

jagec
08-22-2012, 12:08 PM
Best:
- 1996 Honda Civic
- 1998 Toyota Corolla

Worst:
- 2007 Corvette
- 2006 GTO
- 2002 Monte Carlo SS
- 1999 Camaro Z28
- 1999 Camaro SS
- 1993 Grand AM
- 1986 Trans AM
- 1986 Camaro

Actual photo of AdamK47:
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/2922/centenarianlife.jpg

AdamK47
08-22-2012, 12:28 PM
How did you find that technicolor photograph of me? Oh you sneaky whippersnappers!

FuzzyDunlop
08-22-2012, 12:34 PM
LOL ^


Best: Mercedes ml350. my realtor let me go around block. couldn't 'test' it though. its niiiiice.


Worst: 1972 Ford flatbed truck at a farm. Lol. It was a gutless automatic and in order to stop you had to put it into neutral and press brakes otherwise itd stall.

jupiter57
09-01-2012, 04:35 PM
Only cars/trucks I've driven enough to rate are vehicles I've personally owned & driven long enough to know:

Best: Have to lump this together being Cadillac DeVille (5 so far, '88 to '07), most of them have went WELL over 200K miles with almost no problems, save for the occasional water pump, A/C Compressor, Fuel Pump replacement. Plenty of power, comfortable, dependable, and all have gotten fuel mileage in the mid to upper 20's.

Worst: 2010 Ram 3500 the wife bought me just over 1-1/2 years ago.
/rant/Darned thing spends more time at the dealer than on the road. I have yet to go 1K miles without a problem. Black smoke billowing, power losing plastic POS.

6 more months & I'm sure Chrysler will have more in warranty repairs than it cost new!

Gotta lump Ford products in the worst category also, out of about 5 I've owned, nearly every one has been a mechanical nightmare. (I always say I have to buy one every few years so I can remember why I dislike them so!)

Never owned a Foreign car, though, save for one older Honda Civic I bought to flip, only drove it once, 75 mi. ea. way. Much too small for my tastes.

brianmanahan
09-03-2012, 12:55 AM
best: 96 civic

worst: 96 civic

Black2na
09-03-2012, 01:29 AM
Best-New ford GT(worked for a ford dealer brought it from the body shop to the show room about 1/8 mile but certainly awesome the whole time!

Worst-dodge intrepid

Arkaign
09-03-2012, 05:24 AM
Only cars/trucks I've driven enough to rate are vehicles I've personally owned & driven long enough to know:

Best: Have to lump this together being Cadillac DeVille (5 so far, '88 to '07), most of them have went WELL over 200K miles with almost no problems, save for the occasional water pump, A/C Compressor, Fuel Pump replacement. Plenty of power, comfortable, dependable, and all have gotten fuel mileage in the mid to upper 20's.

Worst: 2010 Ram 3500 the wife bought me just over 1-1/2 years ago.
/rant/Darned thing spends more time at the dealer than on the road. I have yet to go 1K miles without a problem. Black smoke billowing, power losing plastic POS.

6 more months & I'm sure Chrysler will have more in warranty repairs than it cost new!

Gotta lump Ford products in the worst category also, out of about 5 I've owned, nearly every one has been a mechanical nightmare. (I always say I have to buy one every few years so I can remember why I dislike them so!)

Never owned a Foreign car, though, save for one older Honda Civic I bought to flip, only drove it once, 75 mi. ea. way. Much too small for my tastes.

Man you've had terrible luck with Fords. Did you buy some crappy ones in the 90s? A lot of bad stuff there. My family has had pristine luck with Fords :)

Blain
09-03-2012, 06:42 AM
Best & Worst Cars You've Personally Driven
Best = 1968 Simca (http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Blain/68_Simca.jpg)
Worst = 1968 Simca (http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Blain/68_Simca.jpg)
Mine was red, but pic isn't mine.

BUTCH1
09-03-2012, 08:46 AM
Worst, 1972 Matador, it's 4 wheel non powered drum brakes were unreliable, the steering wheel would oscillate wildly after hitting any pot hole or manhole cover, ball joints shot, tie rod ends shot, wheel bearings shot, control arms missing every bit of the rubber bushings, the electrical system would short out sometimes, you had to disconnect the battery after arriving at your destination or come back to a dead car. The black vinyl bench seats turned into "the ass hibachi" on any summer day.


Best, 1969 Corvette, I only had her for an hour, but what a fun hour!...

manimal
09-03-2012, 11:07 AM
worst?


3 cyl fiesta from the 80s or a 78 mustang auto


best so hard to say.


faves have been Dinan e36 m3 euro, 993 turbo big bore, 930 slant nose..

That I have owned would be the Fiat 131 Mirafiori that I had as a teen.

xapo99
09-06-2012, 08:23 AM
Worst (recently) : Golf GTD 2012 : Dull, heavy, slow and boring
Best (recently) : Kia Sportage 2011 (So my missus got one)

Worst (not recently) : Hyundai Accent Hire Car in States year 2000
Best (not recently) : Mazda RX-7 Efini with about 350bhp and total set up for track.

Also BMW M5 and 535D own, the latter.

CraigRT
09-07-2012, 11:22 AM
Worst one in recent memory is definitely one of our fleet vehicles at work, a 2011 Corolla.
It's just such a bad car I have no idea how anyone could actually own one of these.

Brutal steering feel, mushy gross suspension, most tupperware interior I have ever seen. Reminds me of first year relaunch of the Dodge Avenger... it's such a horrid car.

One of my favorites was my friends' 2007 Volvo V70R.. Greatest seats in the world, gorgeous tan/orange colored leater interior, 6 speed manual and 300 HP... That is such a wonderful car, I absolutely loved it.

Primergy
09-07-2012, 08:34 PM
Worst:
1998 Ford Van - Going 70 has never been that scary since...
Citroen 2CV - Cult, awesome but a nightmare in every safety relevant situation
VW Tiguan - biggest disappointment ever. Wikipedia solved the mystery - its a Chrysler chassis.

Best:
Volvo 240 - just because I like sitting in those...
Mazda 323 GTX - fast, nimble, kills 99% of all mexicanized Hondas on green
Citroen CX - smooth cruising in style

lakedude
09-07-2012, 08:54 PM
Worst:

Unknown Isuzu pickup truck rusted out, exhaust leak into cabin, deadly

Early 70's "Cricket" - http://www.cartype.com/pages/2010/plymouth_cricket__1971

VW Diesel Pickup - fell apart (made in USA) diesel hard to start and shook like crazy at idle

1996 Collector's Edition Vette - expensive, leaked, had other issues, junk

2000 Vette Hardtop - tons of minor problems and annoyances, sure was pretty...

Best:

VW Diesel Rabbit (almost exactly the same as the truck, cept a car) - made in Germany fantastic MPG

Dad's Volvo and Mazda 626 were nice, the 626 was very reliable, the Volvo not so much...

2005 Honda Civic Hybrid-75,000 miles of great gas mileage, no annoyances, and only one problem (O2 sensor)

1988 Mitsubishi Starion turbo - cheap, sharp, fast, best climate control ever

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/WidebodyStarion.jpg

oiprocs
09-08-2012, 11:59 AM
Best:
1993 Prelude (H22A1)
2007 Accord EX
2006 Camry XLE

Worst:
1986 Accent GS
1988 Sentra

Neither best nor worst:
2012 Mazda 3 (Skyactiv)
1986 Seville
2002 Civic EX
1984 240DL

TBD :
2009 Camry SE

BUTCH1
09-08-2012, 12:23 PM
Best:
~'06 Ferrari F430. Watch the Top Gear episode. That's all.

'89 MR2 w/stiffened shocks & bushings. Lack of power made up for with amazing steering feel, great brakes, go-kart handling, and the fun MR weight distribution. I actually towed a small trailer with this car. Amazingly, you couldn't even tell it was back there. This car is MADE for tight, winding roads.

'05 Suburu WRX, modded as well. More Grand Touring than go-kart, but I loved the power, the exhaust note, and that intoxicating turbo sound. Total boy racer car, but fun.

Worst:
90s Ford Escort. The cargo capacity of a small car, the sightlines of a box truck, the steering feel of a trash can lid and the turning radius of a cow. All this, and it's horribly unreliable, too? Wow!

90s Ford Explorer. Actually not bad off-road, but on the road it handles exactly like a small boat: Slow acceleration, heels over anytime you take a turn, and absolutely no brakes. This was a popular SUV for years?

~91 Subaru Justy. Honestly, as far as the driving experience goes in 3-cylinder cars that weigh less than the average McDonald's customer, it wasn't TOO bad. Unfortunately, it's still just a SLIGHTLY more upscale Geo Metro clone. Apparently they made a model with a CVT. At that point it would probably be faster to go on foot. Whether or not you had any.

I had a '94 Escort, it didn't need any major repairs until 170K, the hatchback could fit in big items, I put a full-sized washer in there! it was very underpowered though, 88HP made on-ramps a hair raising event!..

BUTCH1
09-08-2012, 12:27 PM
Worst one in recent memory is definitely one of our fleet vehicles at work, a 2011 Corolla.
It's just such a bad car I have no idea how anyone could actually own one of these.

Brutal steering feel, mushy gross suspension, most tupperware interior I have ever seen. Reminds me of first year relaunch of the Dodge Avenger... it's such a horrid car.

One of my favorites was my friends' 2007 Volvo V70R.. Greatest seats in the world, gorgeous tan/orange colored leater interior, 6 speed manual and 300 HP... That is such a wonderful car, I absolutely loved it.

Since the Corolla is a entry-level car what were you expecting?. As an A-B type of car it will probably run for 200K without any issues..

GasX
09-08-2012, 01:07 PM
1967 Mustang Notchback Coupe

It was the worst and the best car I have ever had. Fun to drive in its imprecise steering, v8 powered, 60's technology way and always a conversation starter, but a money sink and no air conditioning in a daily driver is a bitch...

My Ford SVT Contour is a close second on both. It was the best pure driving car I have had, but it had a nigling computer issue that meant I had a check engine light at all times, including when I had to get a state inspection...

deadken
09-08-2012, 11:23 PM
I still miss my 1983 Volvo 240. It was a 244 (four door) which I like the least visually. But, it was ROCK solid, built like a tank and dead set reliable. I bought it with 242k on the clock, the speedo cable broke at 289k, and I junked it with probably well over 300k on it. To this day, it's still the best car I ever junked. Too little room, time, money....

The worst car I owned was probably my Dodge Shelby Charger I can't remember what year it was... But it was one of the FWD cars from the 1980's. It was the year with the 4 lug wheels. Great handling car, horrible to own. Just unreliable and poor quality / design.

Now, my 1980 BMW 320IS was sweet! Recaro seats (which weren't that great), K-Jet EFI (simple), a wonderful 5-speed, LSD (which I burnt up powerdrifting), and a sunroof too! That was a really simple, light car. It handled wonderfully and had great torque for a 1.8l. If I could find a clean one (I live in the NW (New York)), I'd be on it like white-on-rice.

lakedude
09-09-2012, 04:34 AM
The worst car I owned was probably my Dodge Shelby Charger I can't remember what year it was... But it was one of the FWD cars from the 1980's. It was the year with the 4 lug wheels. Great handling car,I had a 1988 Dodge Daytona Shelby Z turbo FWD. Handling was amazing (didn't realize how good till nearly wrecking the next car that didn't handle as good). Traded the 88 in on an 88 because I couldn't deal with the torque steer and horrible snow traction. That car would jump over half a lane if you hit a pothole! I think bumps were okay but potholes were crazy. The steering wheel would just jerk out of your hands! Never kept it long enough to develop problems...

BTW the next car was the Starion which didn't handle nearly as well but was much easier to drive. If you did everything just right the Shelby was amazing but it was a very difficult car to drive.

ultimatebob
09-09-2012, 09:54 AM
Best? 2008 Audi A8L. Sucker was plush!

Worst? 1982 Plymouth Reliant station wagon. The interior would flood if you drove it though a rain puddle, and you would have to get outside and rock it out of Park if you parked it on a hill.

JKing106
09-09-2012, 08:02 PM
Of the tens of people I know that have had Hondas, I haven't seen a single one last more than 30k miles without munching its engine. I've seen trannies go, obviously CVs go, and lots of stupid little problems that lead to more problems when you try to fix them. If you get parts from the dealership, they're much lower quality than the original OEM. A lot of them are just completely useless. A friend ate both of his insanely terribly made wheel wells when they touched his tires. Just tore right off the car, as expected. The replacements were so thin that I couldn't believe it. Right from Honda, stamped Honda, and totally worthless crap. He ended up driving the car without wheel wells because the replacements couldn't handle 65mph on the highway. There are just too many horror stories to list.

The best was this same friend and this same car. Three engines, three weeks, less than one thousand miles. Original Honda engines, installed by the Honda dealership. F that S. I'll never drop a dime on them. My friend paid for all 3 and the installs, they said it wasn't their fault because a kid that worked there said they saw him beating on the car. I told him to sue them, but he didn't, fearing he'd just lose when the kid said that again in court.


Also, they cost too much and the parts are very expensive, even though they are literally the worst I've ever seen.

OK, you're trolling. You honestly want us to believe you've never seen, or known anyone who has seen, a Honda motor make it past 30K?

We get it. In your world, American = best, Foreign = shit. I'm not loyal to any car company. I could care less what name is on it. It's just a tool to get from point A to point B. I'm driving a 92 Civic with 213K on the original motor, and the woman I bought it from abused the living shit out of it. When I took the valve cover off at 199K, the valve train was completely and totally black from lack of oil changes. And it's been running like a top with 3.5K oil changes over the last 15k. Honda motors, especially from the early to mid 90's, are notoriously hard to kill.

So, I"m calling bullshit on your little ploy to start some flame attention for yourself here. This is the last bit you'll get from me on the subject, and the last time I'll consider your opinion on anything.

Edit: I didn't see that you and your friends were intentionally redlining them.

MagickMan
09-09-2012, 09:01 PM
Best: 2009 Gallardo LP 560-4. Think of it as a bright yellow Italian adrenaline pump. It was, almost literally, a 560bhp go-cart with leather seats and AWD.

Worst: A toss up between a PoS VW Type 2 Microbus and a 2005 Toyota Prius. Both handled like a crippled river barge with a broken keel.

mafia
09-09-2012, 10:03 PM
Best:
-2007 Honda S2000 (current owner. love it! hard to match for the price)
-2003 BMW E46 M3 (test drove it, amazing! only car i would consider trading my s2k for.)
Worst:
-2005 Chevy Malibu (Drivers Ed car, horrible horrible car. I mean, when I see people driving these, I wonder, have they been living under a rock and don't shop around? I've driven the comparable 2005 Accord and Camry. It's like entering another dimension, thats how much better they are, hell even my sisters 2001 Malibu is better. What was GM thinking?!)
-1999 Kia Sephia (blehhhh)

A5
09-10-2012, 01:02 PM
Best:
2009 Audi S5 at one of those test drive events. Got a ride with a pro driver in a Lexus IS-F at a different event - that was a lot of fun.

Worst:
1999 Ford Contour. This was my wife's car in HS/college until it ate its transmission @ 80k miles. Even when it was functional, it was total garbage from the nadir of American cars, IMO.

Dishonorable mention to the Lincoln Town Car I got as a rental "upgrade" once. Should've just taken the Camry.

HybridSquirrel
09-10-2012, 01:14 PM
Best car: My STi, Tesla Roadster, Tesla Model S, Aston Martin DB9

Worst car: Fiat 500 (base), Ford Fiesta. Just about any Saturn.


Notable entry for best: S2000, Audi TT, BMW M3, Ford F-250 Super Duty (that thing hauls some serious loads)

biffpreston
09-13-2012, 11:22 PM
Since the Corolla is a entry-level car what were you expecting?. As an A-B type of car it will probably run for 200K without any issues..


The steering and handling in these newer Toyota Corollas made from 2009 to 2012 is VASTLY worse than any cheap base model economy car that I have ever driven and I have driven many. It is not just worse but has characteristics that I have never experienced in any cheap base model cars from the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000.

It's just an economy car so don't expect it to drive like a Mercedes or Porshe. It's way worse than that. I mean you constantly have to wiggle and wobble the steering wheel while your driving. In every other car I have driven in 26 years the steering wheel self centers in the Toyota Corolla with column mounted electronic power steering you the driver have to manually keep the steering wheel self centered, hence the constant wiggling and wobbling. There is a massive amount of freeplay in the steering wheel. You can turn the steering wheel 30 degrees in either direction and the tires on the car won't move at all and the steering wheel will just stay stuck while your driving along if you take your hands off. As the tires hit bumps it will bump the steering wheel progressively closer to the center. The steering wheel and wheels on the car are obviously out of synch. there is a lag btween turning the steering wheel and the tires actually moving. This is the way the steering system is designed to drive. This is not some defect that's just on my car or just a few. These cars do drive that badly. I mean amazingly sloppy and unresponsive steering on a level that is way worse than just being an economy car so dont expect it to drive like a Mercedes.


There is also not some sort of programming solution either to this problem. It's not a programming problem to begin with but a mechanical one.

It's not a solid connection between the steering wheel and tires on the car it's semi solid. It's not the future of automobile steeing either nor is drive by wire. I've heard people say that drive by wire is the future, which is bologna.

The type of steering system in the new Toyota Corollas and in all of Toyotas vehicles now is called Column Mounted Electronic Power steering and it is positively dreadful. It is not rack and pinion steering and drives nothing like rack and pinion steering. It literally feels like you are driving a car with a broken steering system. No kidding!

biffpreston
09-13-2012, 11:33 PM
Mafia

Tell me if my description of the steering in the new Corollas is similar to the way your 2005 Malibu drivers ed car drove if you would. I believe it is the exact make and model of steering system in the new Toyota vehicles.

People who have never driven these things have no idea at all how badly these things drive.

mafia
09-14-2012, 08:46 PM
Mafia

Tell me if my description of the steering in the new Corollas is similar to the way your 2005 Malibu drivers ed car drove if you would. I believe it is the exact make and model of steering system in the new Toyota vehicles.

People who have never driven these things have no idea at all how badly these things drive.

Eh, all I know is that it was bad, but I don't remember the specifics since it was 5 years ago lol.

biffpreston
09-14-2012, 09:33 PM
Ok Ive never driven any high end cars but I do appreciate cars that handle and steer well. So here's my best and worst.

Best: 2002 Nissan Xterra (Hydraulic Rack and pinion steering, Turning radius wasn't all that great but responsiveness and accuracy of steering input and output was excellent)



1998 Toyota MR2 (early electro hydraulic steering, fun to drive, rented it for a week and had a blast driving it around Seattle)

2011 Nissan Altima (electro hydraulic steering, not as good as the Xterra but not bad, steering wheel is weak returning to center)

Mediocre: 2012 Honda Civic (electrohydraulic steering, geared for a little understeer so handling is adversely affected a bit)

2012 Ford fiesta (true electric assist rack and pinion steering, responsive steering but no engine power)

2012 Subaru Impreza ( not sure what type of steering but not bad on the road, handles a little better than the Fiesta and definately better than the honda.

Worst: 2009 Toyota Corolla With column mounted electronic power steering ( by far and in ways never experienced before the worst pos I have ever had the displeasure of being stuck with, major handling problems, total waste of money, amount of work required to handle the car is absolutely amazing, very tiring to drive)


also Nissan Versa, Nissan Sentra and Hyundai Elantra ( all have column mounted electronic power steering which is usually falsely advertised as power assist electric rack and pinion as Toyota does as well)

My grandmothers 1983 Malibu station wagon with V8 engine and rear wheel drive drove way better than these new cars with column mounted electronic steering, no joke either. Her old Astro Van, which had no engine power at all, drove way better as well. I mean actually more manueverable, believe it or not.

I love good compact and midsize cars that handle well but since the automotive industry has been tinkering with the steering systems in literally all makes and models of cars it has become very difficult to find compact and midsize cars in 2012 that drive and handle well, very difficult.

Throckmorton
09-14-2012, 11:02 PM
I just test drove a 1995 C4 Corvette and so far it's the best car I've driven technically. Lots of grip and the most power I've experienced. Doesn't fit as well as my Miata did though.


Worst was a Nissan Sentra rental. The CVT was terrible.

BUTCH1
09-15-2012, 11:30 PM
Best:
-2007 Honda S2000 (current owner. love it! hard to match for the price)
-2003 BMW E46 M3 (test drove it, amazing! only car i would consider trading my s2k for.)
Worst:
-2005 Chevy Malibu (Drivers Ed car, horrible horrible car. I mean, when I see people driving these, I wonder, have they been living under a rock and don't shop around? I've driven the comparable 2005 Accord and Camry. It's like entering another dimension, thats how much better they are, hell even my sisters 2001 Malibu is better. What was GM thinking?!)
-1999 Kia Sephia (blehhhh)

I have a 2005 Malibu LTZ, it rides extremely smooth, has good pickup (0-60, 7.7) excellent 4 wheel disk brakes and handles fine, I mean "horrible horrible car" describes exactly nothing about why you hated it. Could it be possible that a drivers-ed car is a beat-to-death car that got little or no maintenance??. The electric power steering is poor for road feedback but almost all are, if your not racing it through twisties it shouldn't be an issue..

jdcooper
09-16-2012, 09:19 PM
Best:

- Acura: MDX, Integra GS-R
- Audi: S4 turbo, A3, Q7
- Porsche: 911 (any), Cayman (shockingly good)
- Nissan 350Z (70 - 80% of Porsche performance at 30 - 40% of the price)
- For the money: Ford Focus, Hyundai Elantra

biffpreston
09-17-2012, 12:22 AM
I have a 2005 Malibu LTZ, it rides extremely smooth, has good pickup (0-60, 7.7) excellent 4 wheel disk brakes and handles fine, I mean "horrible horrible car" describes exactly nothing about why you hated it. Could it be possible that a drivers-ed car is a beat-to-death car that got little or no maintenance??. The electric power steering is poor for road feedback but almost all are, if your not racing it through twisties it shouldn't be an issue..


You don't have to be a driving enthusiast to appreciate owning a car that does not have numb sloppy steering that is absolutely exhausting to drive around. In every other cheap compact car i have driven the car did all the work for me and was very easy to handle. These cars with this ultra cheap primitive column mounted electronic power steering are very unresponsive to steering input. Unresponsive steering is also not dependent on ones personal tastes either. Ive heard 2 or 3 people say the exact same thing Mafia did about people to own Corollas. That people who own Corollas do not know how to drive and with regards to the steering in the cars I have heard people say they werent sure about the tyoe of person who would buy a new Corolla with EPS. I didn't take it offensively though. I learned a lot from this experience. I'm an A to B driver that appreciates it not being a struggle to get from A to B and then C and D and E and F and so on. These cars with column mounted electronic power steering are a struggle to drive in city traffic I mean absolute struggle to manage and handle. It is extremely fatiguing to drive these cars in a really nauseating way. There are only 4 companies that out this garbage under the hoods of their cars as well. Toyota is the worst, hyundai, kia and nissan has it in 2 models, the versa and sentra. I have a feeling Nissan is going to get rid of this steering in those 2 models soon. Chevy dropped the column mounted steering this year in 2012. They go rid of it. There were 2000 complaints on the steering in the Cobalt and a ton of complaints with the Malibu as well. There are currently 600 or 700 complaints about the same type of steering in the 2009 and 2010 Corollas with some newer complaints on the 2011 and 2012. It's a terrible primitive very poorly performing electric steering system.

If your living in a small town and don't like to drive very much I can see the steering not being as much of a problem. I still would have no desire to own something that I didn't even come remotely comfortable or safe for that matter driving out of town.

CraigRT
09-17-2012, 04:59 PM
Since the Corolla is a entry-level car what were you expecting?. As an A-B type of car it will probably run for 200K without any issues..

I was expecting a decent car. I have a 2011 Civic, direct competitor... Better in every single way. That other car is a rolling pile of shit.

mafia
09-17-2012, 10:09 PM
I have a 2005 Malibu LTZ, it rides extremely smooth, has good pickup (0-60, 7.7) excellent 4 wheel disk brakes and handles fine, I mean "horrible horrible car" describes exactly nothing about why you hated it. Could it be possible that a drivers-ed car is a beat-to-death car that got little or no maintenance??. The electric power steering is poor for road feedback but almost all are, if your not racing it through twisties it shouldn't be an issue..

It was the 4 cylinder model. LTZ is top of the line so they may have improvements. But the BASE model, for all I know, was horrible.

BUTCH1
09-17-2012, 11:03 PM
You don't have to be a driving enthusiast to appreciate owning a car that does not have numb sloppy steering that is absolutely exhausting to drive around. In every other cheap compact car i have driven the car did all the work for me and was very easy to handle. These cars with this ultra cheap primitive column mounted electronic power steering are very unresponsive to steering input. Unresponsive steering is also not dependent on ones personal tastes either. Ive heard 2 or 3 people say the exact same thing Mafia did about people to own Corollas. That people who own Corollas do not know how to drive and with regards to the steering in the cars I have heard people say they werent sure about the tyoe of person who would buy a new Corolla with EPS. I didn't take it offensively though. I learned a lot from this experience. I'm an A to B driver that appreciates it not being a struggle to get from A to B and then C and D and E and F and so on. These cars with column mounted electronic power steering are a struggle to drive in city traffic I mean absolute struggle to manage and handle. It is extremely fatiguing to drive these cars in a really nauseating way. There are only 4 companies that out this garbage under the hoods of their cars as well. Toyota is the worst, hyundai, kia and nissan has it in 2 models, the versa and sentra. I have a feeling Nissan is going to get rid of this steering in those 2 models soon. Chevy dropped the column mounted steering this year in 2012. They go rid of it. There were 2000 complaints on the steering in the Cobalt and a ton of complaints with the Malibu as well. There are currently 600 or 700 complaints about the same type of steering in the 2009 and 2010 Corollas with some newer complaints on the 2011 and 2012. It's a terrible primitive very poorly performing electric steering system.

If your living in a small town and don't like to drive very much I can see the steering not being as much of a problem. I still would have no desire to own something that I didn't even come remotely comfortable or safe for that matter driving out of town.

The complaints stemmed from the units suddenly failing, Chevy has extended the warranty on these models. I don't get "primitive" either, each model has it's own computer that controls the amount of boost the EPS employes. In a small parking lot they are awesome, if your buying a Malibu or a Corolla is sport driving at the top of your list anyway?.

BUTCH1
09-17-2012, 11:08 PM
It was the 4 cylinder model. LTZ is top of the line so they may have improvements. But the BASE model, for all I know, was horrible.

What is "horrible ", exactly what about driving did you hate??

biffpreston
09-17-2012, 11:08 PM
It was the 4 cylinder model. LTZ is top of the line so they may have improvements. But the BASE model, for all I know, was horrible.


There is not a car on the road with Column Mounted electronic power steering that does not have extremely sloppy driving characteristics, unresponsive steering and no feedback from the road. Those are unchangeable characteristics. I hear people talking about shocks and struts and all sorts of other stuff. With this kind of steering none of that matters despite what anyone says. You can place this particular type of electric steering in any vehicle from a Porshe to a Rolls Royce and those cars are going to drive and handle like crap on wheels. Put it in a car with the finest quality components and it will still drive terribly. Nothing will conpensate for the sloppy looseness and unresponsiveness.

You don't drive these cars around with Column type EPS you struggle to slop them around. Hard to control hunks of metal with atrocious steering and handling deserving of a lawsuit against the companies that sold them to unsuspecting customers.

mafia
09-18-2012, 12:36 AM
What is "horrible ", exactly what about driving did you hate??

I can't go into specifics because it was 5 years ago lol. But I knew it was below standards to what I was used to. Try driving in a 2005 Honda Accord V6, you will see how much better it is.

phucheneh
09-18-2012, 01:07 AM
I've driven a lot of cars. It's hard to say 'best,' especially when you factor in value. i.e. the newer Mazdas are the best 'drivers cars' in their price range, imho.

Best: Probably a stick-shift G37 with a sport package. Closest to a GT-R I'm gonna get, but not exactly that comparable. But they're REALLY competent handlers with a decent little engine. And not overly rough. I've also driven C6 Corvettes, and they feel like the suspension is welded solid.

Worst: Too many to make a complete list. The overall standout is the more recent Impala. Steering is heavy but dead, gas pedal is unresponsive, brakes feel like trash, handles like an 80's Cadillac. In a competent ~150hp or more car, I would laugh at a speedtrap set by these shitheaps...they're not catching you. Their high sales volume is from selling large quantities to government agencies and rental companies at a good (but not good enough) discount.

edit: I would rather try and pursue suspects in the Daihatsu Aveo than the Impala. And the former is still quite a turd.

power_hour
09-18-2012, 01:22 AM
Worst = 1999 Toyota Corolla

That piece of shit scarred me to death.

Best = 1989 Mustang LX 5.0

Gas was cheap, car was pretty fast, most importantly it was invisible on the road

xapo99
09-18-2012, 05:24 AM
Since the Corolla is a entry-level car what were you expecting?. As an A-B type of car it will probably run for 200K without any issues..

We had a Corolla E12 Compressor, it replaced a Civc Type R, it was better in every way, and in the dry handling was comparable, in the wet it would run rings round the Civic...

Toyota's are a rip off in the UK...I don't know how competitive they are in the States, but everyone just buys Kia's here now.

SuperSix
09-18-2012, 12:57 PM
Best - Any import

Worst - any domestic car.


(Yes, I am being sarcastic)

phucheneh
09-18-2012, 05:28 PM
Best - Any import

Worst - any domestic car.


(Yes, I am being sarcastic)

To be fair, even with the 'new' rejuvenated American auto industry (you know...except for Chrysler), I can't argue with a less severe generalization. Most of the American cars fall between 'competent' and bad. For most (jap) imports, 'competent' is the low end. Euros are wildcards.

But this is depending on how you define 'good' and 'bad.' I assume we're talking from an 'enthusiast' point of view- driving experience only. In my mind, though, I'm also thinking of price, reliability, build quality, ect. So I would generalize that for the money, you get a 'better' car with most japanese or korean models. But none of them are very fun to drive unless you start getting into their more expensive sport models (Infiniti G's, Hyundai Genesis, ect). Again, Mazda is the exception- Miatas are cheap and they also make the funnest FWD's, hands-down.

In comparison, you can get a powerful (hey, maybe even RWD) American car for not-that-much. You'll have more fun in a 20-30k Mustang that most 20-30k imports...still kinda handles like crap, though. :/

But I guess that's a bit OT/can of worms.

Really I just wanted to say that I forgot about Bimmers. I'm not a huge fan, but the sporty ones are a lot like the G37 I mentioned. The upside to the BMW's is they either have more power, or feel like it. The 300+ hp NA V6 in some G37's feels completely anemic compared to the, iirc, slightly lower-rated DI turbo I6 in the 335. That thing is a friggin' hoss.

And my butt-skidpad says the German will grip just a little longer. Steering also feels a little more precise and 'connected.'

That said, I must mention that German paddle shifts are retarded; Nissan does it right (big column-mounted paddles, up on right, down on left). For real manuals, BMW has better feeling clutches.

But yeah, for driving experience in a non-pipedream car (40-45k or less), I like the G for Japan and the 3-series for the Euros. Maybe Audi is some competition, but I've never driven a fast one. For the US...I just don't know. What has decent power, RWD, and doesn't throw handling out the window? Stock, that is. I mean, I can enjoy a Mustang stock, but to love it I'm sure I'd want some handling upgrades.

mmntech
09-18-2012, 08:11 PM
To be fair, even with the 'new' rejuvenated American auto industry (you know...except for Chrysler), I can't argue with a less severe generalization. Most of the American cars fall between 'competent' and bad. For most (jap) imports, 'competent' is the low end. Euros are wildcards.

For the most part, Fords tend to be solid made cars and trucks. They've really upped their quality in recent years. As good as Japanese cars from my own experiences, if you factor out the MyFord Touch problems. I really dislike touch screens in cars.

GM is very hit and miss. I've found their trucks are significantly better than their cars. The trucks are built rock solid. The cars on the other hand develop of lot of quirks. Sensor problems, rattling control arms, etc.

Chrysler is... well... Chrysler. They really haven't learned why they sunk in the first place. Even though Fiat SpA owns them now, not much has changed. Cheap cars that are not built to last. I doubt the redesigned Neon/Dart is going to save them. They've got to up their game. Now I admit I do like the concept of the Fiat 500, but lord knows what long term reliability on those things is going to be like.

Japanese cars, always a solid bet. Toyota makes some very pedestrian vehicles. Honda's still the same old Honda. They'll keep running if you drive them off a cliff. Nissan has a decent lineup, as does Mazda. Mitsubishi is hit and miss and some of their designs are getting a little dated. Then again it's the same company that made a war plane without armour for the pilot.

Korean cars are steadily improving. Hyundai's has gotten a lot better since the 2011 model year. As is Kia with the 2012 model year.

German cars, BMW tend to be okay. Volkswagen and Audi still suffer the same old problems they've always had. Electrical issues, expensive to repair. Mercedes Benz has some of the best and some of the worst cars on the road. The B200 is junk and skip to page 1 for my review on the Smart Fortwo. It's really a company that expects you to pay more to get what should be standard build quality.

biffpreston
09-19-2012, 12:49 AM
I've test driven almost every single compact car made by every major company over the last 2 and a half years. I have rigorously tested the handling of these cars as well. I can tell you that I cannot make any sort of generalization regarding road handling like saying imports are better than domestics or vice versa. I'll also be so bold as to say road handling is not a matter of personal preference. Whether or not the tires on the car respond very accurately and move right along with the turning of the steering wheel with appropriate steering feedback from tire movement is not like a different flavor of ice cream to different people. Steering feel may be a different story. For example, some people claim to like stiff steering, as in very little to no power from the steering. I am definately not one of those people. Having nice precise accurate steering was something I came to expect from the very cheapest and most inexpensive base model economy cars. Good handling did not require purchasing a fancy drivers car.

Toyota vehicles, Hyundai Vehicles and Kia Vehicles along with the Nissan Sentra and Versa are exhausting to drive after about 20 minutes on the road. Driving them is like playing a video game. It feels like there is a thick rubber band or spring connecting the steering wheel to the tires. You constantly wobble and twitch the steering wheel back and forth constantly on the road. You never feel like you have control over these cars with no steering feedback. Unfortunately that feeling of lack of control is not an illusion. I guess that just means its not a fancy drivers car right and is essentially good for the average A to B driver? Yea right. The Column Mounted electronic Steering in these cars is designed to drive like this as well. I have driven many models of these Toyotas, Nissans, hyundais and Kias with this steering. I am very familiar with these systems and the driving characteristics that they impart. They are not good basic transportation and I don't care if they last till 300k miles. Try making an emergency turn with one of these things and see if you even can. See if you even want to get back in one after youve driven one for a while. See if you don't start dreading getting into it and having to drive it again. Try driving one of these fine automobiles in heavy metropolitan area traffic. Be sure and wear a diaper.

I miss my cheap little Dodge Neon. It drove like a completely different species of car from my rolling shitbarge 2009 Toyota Corolla with Column Mounted Electronic Power steering. I forgot to mention the Neon in my best and worst cars post. I could drive my little Neon all day long all over the place and even go out in the evening without feeling exhausted from driving. The neon was an excellent handling little car compared to the wobble wheel mobile I'm currently stuck with. I never complained once about my Neon either. The car did what it was supposed to do, that is what I told it to do with the controls at hand. No illusion of control either it was clearly there. I could fight heavy metropolitan area traffic in that car and have fun doing it.

nerp
09-19-2012, 08:57 AM
New Chryslers are not crap.

Doppel
09-19-2012, 10:16 AM
Worst: Early/Mid 90's Saturn
Best: Nothing much. All the people I know have no damn interest in cars and buy nothing good.