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Random Variable
06-24-2008, 02:11 PM
There's this large hawk (possibly a red-tailed hawk) that likes to hunt other birds (doves, cardinals, and robins in particular). I've seen him tearing about his prey numerous times, and not once was the prey a rodent. Just this morning he quite violently slammed his prey (a dove) into the side of the house, leaving behind a splattering of blood. To make a long story short, I have grown to hate this hawk and I want to kill it.

cherrytwist
06-24-2008, 02:12 PM
:camera:'s?

ric1287
06-24-2008, 02:13 PM
pellet gun = win

RESmonkey
06-24-2008, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by: ric1287
pellet gun = win

sniper rifle > pellet gun

burntfish
06-24-2008, 02:14 PM
why in the world would you want to kill a hawk? its just trying to survive. leave it alone and karma will be good to you.

Random Variable
06-24-2008, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by: cherrytwist
:camera:'s?
When I see him again, I'll take a pic.

Random Variable
06-24-2008, 02:18 PM
it's definitely a red-tail (http://www.illinoisraptorcenter.org/Field%20Guide/redtail.html)

txrandom
06-24-2008, 02:19 PM
If you kill it, I will kill you.

vi edit
06-24-2008, 02:20 PM
The only birds that you can legally kill without a permit in IL that I can remember are sparrows, starlings, and *I think* pigeons.

Every other sort of game bird (Turkey, doves, quail, pheasant, duck, geese) require specific permits or particular seasons.

There are no seasons on birds of prey.

ShawnD1
06-24-2008, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Originally posted by: ric1287
pellet gun = win

sniper rifle > pellet gun

not going to jail >>>> sniper rifle

aigomorla
06-24-2008, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by: Random Variable
There's this large hawk (possibly a red-tailed hawk) that likes to hunt other birds (doves, cardinals, and robins in particular). I've seen him tearing about his prey numerous times, and not once was the prey a rodent. Just this morning he quite violently slammed his prey (a dove) into the side of the house, leaving behind a splattering of blood. To make a long story short, I have grown to hate this hawk and I want to kill it.

...

Why cuz he kills birds instead of rodants?

I wish we had a hawk like that in LA that would eat pidgeons and seagulls.

Dayam, there the rats of the city here.


Seriously, its all part of the great circle of life.
You break the circle, its flat and it ends.

Random Variable
06-24-2008, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by: vi edit
The only birds that you can legally kill without a permit in IL that I can remember are sparrows, starlings, and *I think* pigeons.

Every other sort of game bird (Turkey, doves, quail, pheasant, duck, geese) require specific permits or particular seasons.

There are no seasons on birds of prey.

Do you know the penalty?

Random Variable
06-24-2008, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by: txrandom
If you kill it, I will kill you.
and then I'll come back from the dead and rape you

RESmonkey
06-24-2008, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Originally posted by: ric1287
pellet gun = win

sniper rifle > pellet gun

not going to jail >>>> sniper rifle

I didn't imply killing the hawk with the rifle. I meant it's just better than a pellet gun :)

And, yes, killing hawks is probably illegal (probably the same way any semi-endangered species is). Don't do it.

Ramma2
06-24-2008, 02:25 PM
Hawks are way cooler than any stupid robin or dove.

isekii
06-24-2008, 02:26 PM
You should capture it and train it.

Crusty
06-24-2008, 02:27 PM
Just say the hawk flew into your bullet, not that you shot it.

Random Variable
06-24-2008, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by: isekii
You should capture it and train it.


That has about a zero-percent chance of working.

FDF12389
06-24-2008, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by: Random Variable
Originally posted by: isekii
You should capture it and train it.


That has about a zero-percent chance of working.



Be creative.

oddyager
06-24-2008, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by: Random Variable
Originally posted by: vi edit
The only birds that you can legally kill without a permit in IL that I can remember are sparrows, starlings, and *I think* pigeons.

Every other sort of game bird (Turkey, doves, quail, pheasant, duck, geese) require specific permits or particular seasons.

There are no seasons on birds of prey.

Do you know the penalty?


From the Illinois State US Fish and Wildlife Service:

Violation of any provision of this Act is a Class A misdemeanor ([520 (http://10.9). ]http://ipl.unm.edu/cwl/statbook/illino.html)

RESmonkey
06-24-2008, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by: Crusty
Just say the hawk flew into your bullet, not that you shot it.

Reminds me of Jimbo and Ned from South Park.

Jimbo: "Oh no, that deer is coming right at us!"
*Deer is gently eating something far away*
Ned: FIRE! *fires RPG*

jtvang125
06-24-2008, 02:37 PM
That hawk helps the environment in more ways than any dove or robin will.

cherrytwist
06-24-2008, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by: Random Variable
it's definitely a red-tail (http://www.illinoisraptorcenter.org/Field%20Guide/redtail.html)

My mom has a pair of red-tails that hunt in her yard all the time. She admires them though, has no desire to kill them.

It's free entertainment.

Cogman
06-24-2008, 02:42 PM
man, why would you want to kill such a good bird. Oh Noes, its killing the crap birds around your house, thats terrible.

Hawks are one of the best birds around, it makes me sad that anyone would want to kill such an awesome bird. (We have several hawks around where I live)

isekii
06-24-2008, 02:44 PM
I would personally like to have on around my house.
Tiny little birds shit all over the place including the car. Having one or two of these around will definitely get rid of that issue.

Descartes
06-24-2008, 02:44 PM
Wouldn't an easier solution just be to stop encouraging birds near your home? There are readily available solutions for that. Killing the hawk would seem to only invite the same issue later when another hawk finds out there's a free lunch.

CPA
06-24-2008, 03:01 PM
War Hawk > Dove of Peace

vi edit
06-24-2008, 03:03 PM
A dove is nothing more than a pigeon that some people like to eat.

They are otherwise incredibly stupid birds.

torpid
06-24-2008, 03:13 PM
Aside from the penalty for violating the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, you might also be violating local ordinances regarding discharging firearms if you shoot it. The penalty for the former is up to $15,000 or up to 6 months in prison.

BoomerD
06-24-2008, 03:56 PM
http://bss.sfsu.edu/holzman/co...cts/redtailedhawk.html (http://bss.sfsu.edu/holzman/courses/Fall00Projects/redtailedhawk.html)

"Like all birds of prey Red-tailed hawks are protected by state and federal laws. But despite this some are killed by unethical hunters, and farmers that feel they are protecting chicken livestock"


We have them here. My only concern is that they might swoop down and snatch one of the little rat dogs that aren't any bigger than a rabbit...THAT would piss me off...

ChaoZ
06-24-2008, 04:08 PM
If you miss, it'll come and kick your ass.

Shadow Conception
06-24-2008, 04:13 PM
Eat it?

sygyzy
06-24-2008, 04:14 PM
Do you think that birds only hunt animals that we (humans) consider rodents?

spidey07
06-24-2008, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by: BoomerD
http://bss.sfsu.edu/holzman/co...cts/redtailedhawk.html (http://bss.sfsu.edu/holzman/courses/Fall00Projects/redtailedhawk.html)

"Like all birds of prey Red-tailed hawks are protected by state and federal laws. But despite this some are killed by unethical hunters, and farmers that feel they are protecting chicken livestock"


We have them here. My only concern is that they might swoop down and snatch one of the little rat dogs that aren't any bigger than a rabbit...THAT would piss me off...

heh, neighbor had a hawk swoop down and snatch his cat off the patio. He dropped him about 20 yards away. Needless to say the cat is very nervous when he goes outside now, checking all around for any hawks.

I've got a pretty big hawk nearby. They're awesome creatures. Never had a problem with rodents.

OutHouse
06-24-2008, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: BoomerD
http://bss.sfsu.edu/holzman/co...cts/redtailedhawk.html (http://bss.sfsu.edu/holzman/courses/Fall00Projects/redtailedhawk.html)

"Like all birds of prey Red-tailed hawks are protected by state and federal laws. But despite this some are killed by unethical hunters, and farmers that feel they are protecting chicken livestock"


We have them here. My only concern is that they might swoop down and snatch one of the little rat dogs that aren't any bigger than a rabbit...THAT would piss me off...

heh, neighbor had a hawk swoop down and snatch his cat off the patio. He dropped him about 20 yards away. Needless to say the cat is very nervous when he goes outside now, checking all around for any hawks.

I've got a pretty big hawk nearby. They're awesome creatures. Never had a problem with rodents.

sorry but i find that really funny.

poor cat just standing there and BAM!! he is in the air

i can hear the cat

MEOOOOoooooo (HEY WTF!!!)

0roo0roo
06-24-2008, 05:00 PM
cats kill tons of birds
leave the hawk alone.
shoot the cat;)

Midnight Rambler
06-25-2008, 02:20 AM
Besides being illegal, "removing" a primary/major predator from the food chain is not a good thing.


I would personally like to have on around my house.
Tiny little birds shit all over the place including the car. Having one or two of these around will definitely get rid of that issue.

An alternative would be to make or buy a sillouette of a hawk, and mount it in the appropriate place (you may need more than one). They're available at gardening centers, etc. Samo for owls.

Akin to the use of scarecrows, they can be quite effective.

TonyG
06-25-2008, 02:30 AM
If I remember correctly, getting caught killing a hawk will put you deep into federal trouble as a protected bird of prey, the same as killing an eagle. You are not supposed to raise or keep a hawk or eagle without the proper federal permits on top of any state permits, and you are not supposed to have in your possession any hawk or eagle feathers and if caught will be facing federal charges unless you are one of the few exempt groups.

I Saw OJ
06-25-2008, 03:32 AM
He see me divin', he be hatin'

Aquaman
06-25-2008, 04:09 AM
If you kill it...... this will kill you :) (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-16c-19990601-f-0073c-005.jpg)

Cheers,
Aquaman

bigi
06-25-2008, 08:50 AM
Kill yourself and your family for eating cows and pigs.

Feldenak
06-25-2008, 08:55 AM
I can't for the life of me figure out why you want to kill a hawk.

AlienCraft
06-25-2008, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by: Random Variable
There's this large hawk (possibly a red-tailed hawk) that likes to hunt other birds (doves, cardinals, and robins in particular). I've seen him tearing about his prey numerous times, and not once was the prey a rodent. Just this morning he quite violently slammed his prey (a dove) into the side of the house, leaving behind a splattering of blood. To make a long story short, I have grown to hate this hawk and I want to kill it.
Anthropomorphise much?

ALL raptors are covered by The Federal Wildlife Protection Act.

Do it and it's a good way to see the working of the Federal Penile System.

Don't be hatin' on the hawk. He's doing his job to keep the balance.
Without supreme predators, there would be no "normal".

AlienCraft
06-25-2008, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: BoomerD
http://bss.sfsu.edu/holzman/co...cts/redtailedhawk.html (http://bss.sfsu.edu/holzman/courses/Fall00Projects/redtailedhawk.html)

"Like all birds of prey Red-tailed hawks are protected by state and federal laws. But despite this some are killed by unethical hunters, and farmers that feel they are protecting chicken livestock"


We have them here. My only concern is that they might swoop down and snatch one of the little rat dogs that aren't any bigger than a rabbit...THAT would piss me off...

heh, neighbor had a hawk swoop down and snatch his cat off the patio. He dropped him about 20 yards away. Needless to say the cat is very nervous when he goes outside now, checking all around for any hawks.

I've got a pretty big hawk nearby. They're awesome creatures. Never had a problem with rodents.

sorry but i find that really funny.

poor cat just standing there and BAM!! he is in the air

i can hear the cat

MEOOOOoooooo (HEY WTF!!!)



Now THAT's an lolcat pic I would love to see.

alkemyst
06-25-2008, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by: Random Variable
There's this large hawk (possibly a red-tailed hawk) that likes to hunt other birds (doves, cardinals, and robins in particular). I've seen him tearing about his prey numerous times, and not once was the prey a rodent. Just this morning he quite violently slammed his prey (a dove) into the side of the house, leaving behind a splattering of blood. To make a long story short, I have grown to hate this hawk and I want to kill it.

who says hawks eat only rodents...

Way to do your part to keep balance in the ecosystem.

Xavier434
06-25-2008, 11:58 AM
Wow, you are an asshole. These birds do not just exist for your viewing pleasure you know.

BoomerD
06-25-2008, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: Random Variable
There's this large hawk (possibly a red-tailed hawk) that likes to hunt other birds (doves, cardinals, and robins in particular). I've seen him tearing about his prey numerous times, and not once was the prey a rodent. Just this morning he quite violently slammed his prey (a dove) into the side of the house, leaving behind a splattering of blood. To make a long story short, I have grown to hate this hawk and I want to kill it.
Anthropomorphise much?

ALL raptors are covered by The Federal Wildlife Protection Act.

Do it and it's a good way to see the working of the Federal Penile System.

Don't be hatin' on the hawk. He's doing his job to keep the balance.
Without supreme predators, there would be no "normal".




Heh-heh...I see what you did there...

IceBergSLiM
06-25-2008, 03:58 PM
nice I love ATOT backfire threads!

LennyZ
06-25-2008, 04:02 PM
If you kill anything,kill any cats outside:D
They are not native to this country and kill for fun mostly
and not for food.

Link (http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/)

freakyj92
06-25-2008, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by: Crusty
Just say the hawk flew into your bullet, not that you shot it.

haha... thats actually funny. But seriously, don't be a douche and kill an animal for surviving. It's not slamming little kids into the wall (although that would be funny too), just common birds that you see everyday.

DrPizza
06-25-2008, 04:17 PM
fines of up to $10,000 and six months in prison if convicted.

Best I could find for you. Probably depends on the judge, but if caught, I'll bet it's an expensive lesson.

AbsolutDealage
06-25-2008, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by: Random Variable
Originally posted by: vi edit
The only birds that you can legally kill without a permit in IL that I can remember are sparrows, starlings, and *I think* pigeons.

Every other sort of game bird (Turkey, doves, quail, pheasant, duck, geese) require specific permits or particular seasons.

There are no seasons on birds of prey.

Do you know the penalty?


Federal - Migratory Bird Act (here (http://law2.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t13t16+6198+0++%28%29%2 0%20AND)) - Misdemeanor (6 months jail, $15000 fine)

Illinois - Protected Species (here (http://ipl.unm.edu/cwl/statbook/illino.html))) - Class A Misdemeanor (Less than 1 year jail, max $2500 fine)

Plus applicable firearms charges.