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K1052
06-30-2004, 04:48 PM
This is a topic of much debate between two of my friends, usually when they are high.

Qaabus
06-30-2004, 04:50 PM
Or as cheese?

imported_Tomato
06-30-2004, 04:52 PM
cheeseCAKE

xcript
06-30-2004, 04:53 PM
Pie.

eakers
06-30-2004, 04:53 PM
CAKE.

Bootprint
06-30-2004, 04:54 PM
Pie = dish baked in pastry-lined pan often with a pastry top

NuclearFusi0n
06-30-2004, 04:54 PM
It's not a cake. The structure is provided by coagulated egg protein, making it a custard pie.

Period.

end of story.

Schadenfroh
06-30-2004, 04:54 PM
where is that pie video that gets posted

K1052
06-30-2004, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by: Tomato
cheeseCAKE

That argument has been put forth, but deemed lacking.

Ex. You park on a driveway. You drive on a parkway.

NuclearFusi0n
06-30-2004, 04:55 PM
There's no starch in cheesecake. It can't be a cake, by definition.

ndee
06-30-2004, 04:56 PM
It's called CheeseCAKE and not CheesePIE.

xcript
06-30-2004, 04:57 PM
Stolen from here (http://www.atforumz.com/showthread.php?t=222236):

It's a pie. There is very little starch in cheesecakes (if any) which is the major difference. A cheesecake is a baked custard that is similar to a cream pie. Instead of using cream as a milk product, it uses cream cheese. And then there's the fact that the cream is usually cooked on the stove, while the cheesecake is cooked in the oven.

z0mb13
06-30-2004, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by: Tomato
cheeseCAKE

TheNinja
06-30-2004, 04:57 PM
neither really....it's classified as a dessert. But if I had to pick, I'd say pie.

NuclearFusi0n
06-30-2004, 04:58 PM
from good eats:
SCENE 2
The Kitchen Table

GUEST: The King (Elvis)

I'd be willing to bet that 9 out of 10 cheesecake failures stem from the fact that cooks expect cheesecake to act like cake. Why wouldn't they? After all it is cheese-cake. But suppose that we could ask for an impartial analysis from someone who'd never even heard of cheesecake. Say, for instance an alien making his first trip to planet earth. [camera pans to Elvis] That does explain a few things, doesn't it?

AB: Um, King. What's that?
TK: That there is pie.

Pie. See what I mean?

AB: What kind of pie would you say?
TK: Huunh. That would require further analysis.
AB: Well, please be my guest.
TK: [takes pie and we hear slurping, burping sounds as if pie is eaten in one bite]
Seeing as how the structural matrix is composed of egg proteins I'd say that's a
[sniff] custard pie.

AB: Custard pie. Thank you. Thank you very much.
TK: [vanishes]

The King has left the planet.
Think about it. Aside, of course, from the crust a basic cheesecake only contains some sugar, vanilla, eggs and dairy. It's a custard no matter how you cut it. In fact the only real difference between a cheese cake and a cream pie is that most of the dairy of acheesecake comes in the form of a soft, smooth, tangy, cow's milk cheese containing no less than 33 percent milk fat and no more than 55 percent moisture known far and wide as cream cheese.

cycochic
06-30-2004, 05:00 PM
Both!
null (http://www.clarendoncheesecakes.com/history.html)

badmouse
06-30-2004, 05:05 PM
Cheesecake is cheesecake. It has cheese, right? So, the cake part must be right too.

If you want pie, there is cheesecake pie. (http://www.verybestbaking.com/Recipes/Search/RecipeCard.asp?RecipeID=18484&BrandSiteID=2)

AFB
06-30-2004, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by: Tomato
cheeseCAKE

NuclearFusi0n
06-30-2004, 05:06 PM
STOP SAYING CAKE, YOU FOOLS. #)(%*W#$

imported_KirbsAw
06-30-2004, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: Tomato
cheeseCAKE

Thats just a sinister plot to trick you

xcript
06-30-2004, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by: Tomato
cheesePIE

Corporate Thug
06-30-2004, 05:12 PM
cake

cyclistca
06-30-2004, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
STOP SAYING CAKE, YOU FOOLS. #)(%*W#$

Cake, cake , cake, cake..........

:P

CraigRT
06-30-2004, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by: ndee
It's called CheeseCAKE and not CheesePIE.

I agree.. therefore it HAS to be cake!
I cant believe it's not pie! :P

xcript
06-30-2004, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by: badmouse
Cheesecake is cheesecake. It has cheese, right? So, the cake part must be right too.
A peanut is neither a pea nor a nut. And yet..

chibchakan
06-30-2004, 05:27 PM
Pie

cronos
06-30-2004, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by: Tomato
cheeseCAKE

^

if it's a pie they would say it's a cheesePIE.

DurocShark
06-30-2004, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by: Bootprint
Pie = dish baked in pastry-lined pan often with a pastry top

Ding Ding Ding!

WobbleWobble
06-30-2004, 05:42 PM
Cheesecake doesn't always have a crust...

Cattlegod
06-30-2004, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Tomato
cheeseCAKE

That argument has been put forth, but deemed lacking.

Ex. You park on a driveway. You drive on a parkway.

and apartments are all stuck together.

dman
06-30-2004, 06:32 PM
I won't answer until someone passes along a slice of Cheesecake factory Brownie HotFudge Sundae Cheesecake.

LordMorpheus
06-30-2004, 07:43 PM
they call it cheesecake for a reason. Cheesepie just sounds wrong.

sillymofo
06-30-2004, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by: Tomato
cheeseCAKE

jamesave
06-30-2004, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by: cr4zymofo

Originally posted by: Tomato
cheeseCAKE

AzNmAnJLH
06-30-2004, 07:59 PM
pumpkin pie doesn't have a pastry cover

CaseTragedy
06-30-2004, 07:59 PM
who cares if its called cheese"cake"--it has all the properties of a pie.

Grimbones
06-30-2004, 07:59 PM
Taste test...

cheesecake < feces

Cyco
06-30-2004, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by: xcript

Originally posted by: badmouse
Cheesecake is cheesecake. It has cheese, right? So, the cake part must be right too.
A peanut is neither a pea nor a nut. And yet..
A peanut is indeed a nut....it has an outer shell and.....anyway, back on topic...

Neither, both, one or the other, it's good. Let it be.

Hayabusa Rider
06-30-2004, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
from good eats:
SCENE 2
The Kitchen Table

GUEST: The King (Elvis)

I'd be willing to bet that 9 out of 10 cheesecake failures stem from the fact that cooks expect cheesecake to act like cake. Why wouldn't they? After all it is cheese-cake. But suppose that we could ask for an impartial analysis from someone who'd never even heard of cheesecake. Say, for instance an alien making his first trip to planet earth. [camera pans to Elvis] That does explain a few things, doesn't it?

AB: Um, King. What's that?
TK: That there is pie.

Pie. See what I mean?

AB: What kind of pie would you say?
TK: Huunh. That would require further analysis.
AB: Well, please be my guest.
TK: [takes pie and we hear slurping, burping sounds as if pie is eaten in one bite]
Seeing as how the structural matrix is composed of egg proteins I'd say that's a
[sniff] custard pie.

AB: Custard pie. Thank you. Thank you very much.
TK: [vanishes]

The King has left the planet.
Think about it. Aside, of course, from the crust a basic cheesecake only contains some sugar, vanilla, eggs and dairy. It's a custard no matter how you cut it. In fact the only real difference between a cheese cake and a cream pie is that most of the dairy of acheesecake comes in the form of a soft, smooth, tangy, cow's milk cheese containing no less than 33 percent milk fat and no more than 55 percent moisture known far and wide as cream cheese.

Yep I saw that episode, and Alton is right as usual.

It is a pie in spite of it's common name.

gistech1978
06-30-2004, 08:31 PM
DP

gistech1978
06-30-2004, 08:32 PM
intriguing.

i say pie. it has a crust

i think its because cheesepie doesnt sound exactly appetizing.

dbk
06-30-2004, 08:33 PM
Sure looks like a pie but it's called "-cake". Who the hell decided to call it a "cheesecake"??

RubySoHo
07-01-2004, 11:10 AM
That there's pie.

loki8481
07-01-2004, 11:12 AM
pi

Tiamat
07-01-2004, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by: Cyco

Originally posted by: xcript

Originally posted by: badmouse
Cheesecake is cheesecake. It has cheese, right? So, the cake part must be right too.
A peanut is neither a pea nor a nut. And yet..
A peanut is indeed a nut....it has an outer shell and.....anyway, back on topic...

Neither, both, one or the other, it's good. Let it be.

Peanuts are not nuts. They are legumes
http://www.peanut-shellers.org/index_files/Legume.htm

Just nit-picking :P

Acanthus
07-01-2004, 11:28 AM
its in its own category :P

just like pudding pie isnt really a pie.

bradruth
07-01-2004, 01:02 PM
Obviously pie.

Thraxen
07-01-2004, 01:06 PM
its in its own category

I agree. Pie has a crust, and cheesecake can be with or without a crust. So it's just cheesecake, no pie or cake involved.

Cyco
07-01-2004, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: Cyco

Originally posted by: xcript

Originally posted by: badmouse
Cheesecake is cheesecake. It has cheese, right? So, the cake part must be right too.
A peanut is neither a pea nor a nut. And yet..
A peanut is indeed a nut....it has an outer shell and.....anyway, back on topic...

Neither, both, one or the other, it's good. Let it be.

Peanuts are not nuts. They are legumes
http://www.peanut-shellers.org/index_files/Legume.htm

Just nit-picking :P
Ok...I concede....don't want to hijack anyways...

Shawn
07-01-2004, 01:13 PM
i call it cheesepie :confused:






















;)

glen
07-01-2004, 01:13 PM
Other:
It is a custard.

Hayabusa Rider
07-01-2004, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by: glen
Other:
It is a custard.

So what's a custard pie?

glen
07-01-2004, 01:16 PM
http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/ABFP/ABArticles/USATodayChat.htm

Rochester Hills, MI : What is your favorite style of cheesecake? Thanks

Alton Brown: I tend toward lighter cheesecakes. I find N.Y. style too dry and too compact. I use a higher percentage of sour cream and I whip it more so I get a softer custard.

glen
07-01-2004, 01:18 PM
http://www.epicurus.com/store/browse.php?BrowseNode=6&amp;BrowseSubNode=4234&amp;Mode=bo oks&amp;itemID=0807828580

As cheesecake is actually a type of custard pie

Thraxen
07-01-2004, 01:18 PM
So what's a custard pie?

Custard in a crust?

NeoV
07-01-2004, 01:19 PM
ooooohhh...

Cheesecake Factory.....

pie, btw

glen
07-01-2004, 01:20 PM
http://www.joyofbaking.com/StrawberryCheesecakeIceCream.html

Strawberry Cheesecake Ice Cream



In a small saucepan, over medium-high heat, bring the half-and-half and the vanilla bean (if using) to the scalding point (the milk begins to foam up). Remove from heat, take out the vanilla bean and scrape the seeds from the bean with the back of a knife, and mix the seeds back into the half-and-half.
Meanwhile in a stainless steel bowl beat the cream cheese, egg yolks and sugar until light and fluffy (about two minutes). You can do this with a wire whisk or I like to use a hand mixer. Gradually pour the scalding half-and-half into the whipped egg yolk mixture, making sure you keep whisking constantly so the eggs don not curdle. If any lumps do form, strain the mixture first before heating.

Place the bowl over a saucepan of simmering water and, stirring constantly with a wooden spoon, cook until the custard thickens enough that it coats the back of a spoon (170 degrees F) (77 degrees C). The term 'coat a spoon' is a technique used mainly as a way to test when an egg-based custard or sauce is done. A spoon, usually wooden, is placed in the custard and, when the spoon is raised, the film of custard on the back of the spoon will stay in place even when you draw a line with your finger through the middle of the custard.

Immediately remove the custard from the heat and continue to stir the custard for a few minutes so it does not overcook. At this point stir in the vanilla extract, if using, and the strawberry puree. Cover and let cool to room temperature and then refrigerate the custard until it is completely cold (several hours but preferably overnight).

Transfer the cold custard to the chilled container of your ice cream machine and process according to the manufacturer's instructions. Once made, stir in the cut up fresh strawberries and transfer the ice cream to a chilled container and store in the freezer. If the ice cream becomes too hard place in the refrigerator for about 30 minutes before serving so it can soften.

jjones
07-01-2004, 01:30 PM
Pie

MaxDepth
07-01-2004, 04:19 PM
Pie. And I like pie!

maziwanka
07-01-2004, 04:20 PM
piecake

glen
07-01-2004, 05:06 PM
No matter how many people vote, or type "pie!" nothing is changed.
Cheese cake is a custard. You can't simply vote it out.

TrueBlueLS
07-01-2004, 06:51 PM
must be a trick question