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Romans828
03-21-2004, 08:51 AM
I imagine this is coming our way also someday (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=503464)

God help them and us

Czar
03-21-2004, 08:55 AM
and the average 16 year old knows more about the internet than the average adult

Romans828
03-21-2004, 08:57 AM
So are you saying its a good law change? should America consider it?

Red Dawn
03-21-2004, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by: Romans828
So are you saying its a good law change? should America consider it?
No

Czar
03-21-2004, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by: Romans828
So are you saying its a good law change? should America consider it?
nopes, just pointing out that the change would have minimal effect on the society, kids are at that weird age and they will probably use the internet before they will even consider going to sex shops

dmcowen674
03-21-2004, 09:05 AM
Sounds like their Politics have allowed them to the bottom of the Cesspool as well in deperation to get every vote they feel could be humanly possible. I don't know what their Voting age is but it is obvious they are pandering to the younger folks in expectation that they will reward them with votes.

Sounds exactly like the same situation here with the Hispanic (specifically Mexicans) population as the Bush Administration has "UnOfficially" made Mexico the most southern State.

Romans828
03-21-2004, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Romans828
So are you saying its a good law change? should America consider it?
No


Glad to see we agree on something Mr. Red Dawn :D

Spencer278
03-21-2004, 09:10 AM
Stupid kid doesn't he knew how to use google/P2P and get free porn.

BDawg
03-21-2004, 09:11 AM
I think if all the christian conservatives put as much energy in to convincing 13 year olds not to smoke as they do to saving them from the horrors of porn, we'd be a much better society.

BugsBunny1078
03-21-2004, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by: Czar
and the average 16 year old knows more about the internet than the average adult

Actually most 16 year olds don't know much of anything about anything.
Ever try to talk to one of these kids about anything? I thought I knew alot at 16. I found out later that almost everything I was taught in school was watered down bullshit, lies and propaganda.
Also I noticed in that article that they are wanting 16 year olds to be able to appear in explicit pornography as well. That is already legal in at least one US state and that is New Hampshire.One could make and sell Pornography of 16 year olds in New Hampshire legally. It is not done to my knowledge however. Having freedoms doesn't necesarily mean people will abuse it although in alot of cases it does mean just that. Id rather err on the side of more freedom over less.

dmcowen674
03-21-2004, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

Originally posted by: Czar
and the average 16 year old knows more about the internet than the average adult

Actually most 16 year olds don't know much of anything about anything.
Ever try to talk to one of these kids about anything? I thought I knew alot at 16. I found out later that almost everything I was taught in school was watered down bullshit, lies and propaganda.
Also I noticed in that article that they are wanting 16 year olds to be able to appear in explicit pornography as well. That is already legal in at least one US state and that is New Hampshire.One could make and sell Pornography of 16 year olds in New Hampshire legally. It is not done to my knowledge however. Having freedoms doesn't necesarily mean people will abuse it although in alot of cases it does mean just that. Id rather err on the side of more freedom over less.

Shouldn't be driving either. They give the keys to 15 year olds here that then go out and stuff the car full of their friends and drive over 100 miles an hour and crash into trees and buildings and wonder why their kids are dead. i/expressions/rolleye.gif

BaliBabyDoc
03-21-2004, 09:53 AM
I thought I knew alot at 16. I found out later that almost everything I was taught in school was watered down bullshit, lies and propaganda. It could be worse . . . just think how clueless you would be if educational/sex ed policy was really coming from the Bush administration?!

Now a message from the DHHS via the CDC . . .
Announcer: All condoms in America will be labeled with precautions noting they do not protect from all diseases that might be transmitted if you had a reason to use a condom . . .

Now back to previous programming . . . in today's episode of The Real World . . . Payton is worried that one of the three girls he slept with last month might have given him gonorrhea while Peyton is worried that one of the three guys she slept with last month might have gotten her pregnant while Peyote and Pierre debate the risks of barebacking.

DoubleL
03-21-2004, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

I thought I knew alot at 16. I found out later that almost everything I was taught in school was watered down bullshit, lies and propaganda.

It could be worse . . . just think how clueless you would be if educational/sex ed policy was really coming from the Bush administration?!

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Do you live, Breath and eat Bush, Man get a life

BaliBabyDoc
03-21-2004, 10:51 AM
Yo tool . . . learn how to use the quote function.

As someone who's wholeheartedly in favor of labeling condoms (in fact they do not protect against HPV) I still believe the labeling should be accurate and it should be part of a holistic program to reduce STDs . . . including abstinence ed, safer sex ed, and general health education. Instead the proposed label implies condoms don't work . . . which is like implying that ABS, air bags, front crumple zones, and reinforced doors don't work b/c sometimes people still die in car accidents.

It's also akin to something Bugs was almost right about . . . much of American ed is simplified to the point it is inaccurate and occasionally downright false. Unfortunately, we compound that ignorance with a society that spends an order of magnitude more time and money on entertaining our children (and ourselves) instead of educating our children (and ourselves).

Bush's poo rises to the top of this bowl b/c it's his BS that just won't flush. Bushies raise hell about JJ's floppy booby while their primary media cheerleader (FOX/Murdoch) has been the smut central of broadcast airwaves for well over a decade.

Gaard
03-21-2004, 10:53 AM
Hell no they shouldn't be allowed to do that.

In fact, I feel so strongly about it, I promise that if I'm ever elected president, I'll support an amendment to our constitution to bar kids from sex shops.

Gaard
03-21-2004, 10:56 AM
edit: sorry, my mistake.

Officerdown
03-21-2004, 11:47 AM
This is getting ridiculous. We have this sexshop stuff and than the Liberals handing out sex stuff and saying, go out and have sex, go be like Britney spears. The parental thing to do it tell kids not to have sex. But because of this it makes me a judgmental prude.

StormRider
03-21-2004, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by: BDawg
I think if all the christian conservatives put as much energy in to convincing 13 year olds not to smoke as they do to saving them from the horrors of porn, we'd be a much better society.

As an older guy I am hearing stories about kids doing things (like 13 year old boys actually raping women) that I wonder if this is the result of early exposure to hard core porn that kids my age didn't really have easy access to.

StormRider
03-21-2004, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by: Officerdown
This is getting ridiculous. We have this sexshop stuff and than the Liberals handing out sex stuff and saying, go out and have sex, go be like Britney spears. The parental thing to do it tell kids not to have sex. But because of this it makes me a judgmental prude.

I feel the same way. I'm glad I don't have kids because I think today's peer pressure and society would make it really hard for me to raise them in a way I would want them to be.

Me: I don't think 13 year old should be having sex.
Daughter: Dad, you are such a prude! A bj is not sex! All the girls are doing it. I'll still be a virgin! And I see it done in porn all the time. What's the big deal?

Moonbeam
03-21-2004, 12:12 PM
If you want to fix America take back the national airwaves form corporations and have your tax dollars put on programming produced at the nations universities on health, science, and the arts. Get advertising via sex as a way to sell garbage 24 hours a day 365 days a year out of the faces of children from the moment they are born. You dream of getting rich instead of having your wife raped by a lunatic thirteen year old who has had some girl's ass in his face since day one, and so you will do nothing real about why our society is ever increasing its load of psycho-pathological behavior. Oh, but junk and compulsive buying and debt are what makes us rich. And sex sells.

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Tom
03-21-2004, 12:12 PM
England ain't like America, they have different education system and different culture, at least in the past I believe 16 was considered coming of age for many things. It used to be more so here in USA too, however for some reason, parental desire to possess their children longer has become more powerful. It's an interesting issue that I don't understand why it's happened. Maybe the perceived more dangerous world out there makes parents more afraid for their kids, but this fear doesn't mean that kids develop more slowly than they used to, in fact some evidence points the other way. But then there is the increased life expectancy so it would be nice if kids would go along with their parents ideas and stay kids longer, since they'll have plenty of time to be grownups, but the process of becoming an adult isn't governed by a parent's wishes, it happens when it happens, and some of the repression of self that can take place maybe isn't so good for a person.

And it is here too, but in a different way. On the one hand we have over-protective parents who try to keep kids in a cocoon, and we have crazy culture that promotes drugs, alcohol, cigs, rape, murder, etc.

Maybe it is better to have healthy attitude about sex; then subversive nature of sex in our present culture, which helps create demand for porn in the first place, wouldn't be an issue.

Lonyo
03-21-2004, 12:39 PM
UK: sex legal at 16
Alcohol: 16 in a pub with a meal (IIRC) 18 to buy your own.
Driving: 17
Voting: 18
End of compulsory education: 16
Min wage: 18+
(just for comparisons)


He described 16- and 17-year-olds as "living in a twilight zone between childhood and adulthood", gaining different rights at different ages.
Very true, it's a mess. But porn isn't a major issue anyway, no one would care too much, and would it result in re-classification of films?

Bowfinger
03-21-2004, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by: Officerdown
This is getting ridiculous. We have this sexshop stuff and than the Liberals handing out sex stuff and saying, go out and have sex, go be like Britney spears. The parental thing to do it tell kids not to have sex. But because of this it makes me a judgmental prude.
Do you have a link to these "Liberals" saying "go out and have sex"? Just wondering, because I think you're talking out of your rectum.

As far as I can tell, the real issue has always been the religious right's misguided insistence we preach nothing but abstinence in our schools, denying kids an opportunity to learn information they will badly need, sooner or later. When we fail to provide good information, they fill the vacuum with nonsense and old wives tails they learn from their friends, from advertising, from television, you name it. As much as the prudes pretend otherwise, sex is one of the most powerful driving forces in life.

Universal abstinence is a pipe dream for young adults. Preaching only abstinence leads them to make ignorant, often tragic decisions about love and sex. Let parents handle preaching; let schools provide vital information about one of the most important aspects of human existence.

Red Dawn
03-21-2004, 01:08 PM
LOL, when I was a teenager one of my main goals in life was to get some nooky from a babe. No amount of teaching about abstinence would have made a bit of difference. I seriously doubt that it would today either with teenagers. In fact I'd think that they'd make sex seem like the "Forbidden Fruit" only enticing the kids to get a taste of it!

Drift3r
03-21-2004, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
[quote]
Originally posted by: Czar
and the average 16 year old knows more about the internet than the average adult


Actually most 16 year olds don't know much of anything about anything.
Ever try to talk to one of these kids about anything? I thought I knew alot at 16. I found out later that almost everything I was taught in school was watered down bullshit, lies and propaganda.

You are really only talking about your own experince in life my friend and applying it to everyone.

Officerdown
03-21-2004, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Officerdown
This is getting ridiculous. We have this sexshop stuff and than the Liberals handing out sex stuff and saying, go out and have sex, go be like Britney spears. The parental thing to do it tell kids not to have sex. But because of this it makes me a judgmental prude.
Do you have a link to these "Liberals" saying "go out and have sex"? Just wondering, because I think you're talking out of your rectum.

As far as I can tell, the real issue has always been the religious right's misguided insistence we preach nothing but abstinence in our schools, denying kids an opportunity to learn information they will badly need, sooner or later. When we fail to provide good information, they fill the vacuum with nonsense and old wives tails they learn from their friends, from advertising, from television, you name it. As much as the prudes pretend otherwise, sex is one of the most powerful driving forces in life.

Universal abstinence is a pipe dream for young adults. Preaching only abstinence leads them to make ignorant, often tragic decisions about love and sex. Let parents handle preaching; let schools provide vital information about one of the most important aspects of human existence.



Do I have a link? I don't need a link. Look around. You have the teachers handing out condoms to kids saying go sleep around and be like Ms. Spears. You have schools having plays which include "The Vagina Monologues". Some parents encouraging sexual behavior. You have the public school teacher who cannot teach your fourth grader how to read is also qualified to teach your fourth grader about sex.

I mean maybe I'm wrong. I just always thought I didn't want my 14 year old daughter to have condoms tossed in her face by some teacher. Kids are having sex younger and younger now a days and promoting it doesn't help.

Red Dawn
03-21-2004, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by: Officerdown

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Officerdown
This is getting ridiculous. We have this sexshop stuff and than the Liberals handing out sex stuff and saying, go out and have sex, go be like Britney spears. The parental thing to do it tell kids not to have sex. But because of this it makes me a judgmental prude.
Do you have a link to these "Liberals" saying "go out and have sex"? Just wondering, because I think you're talking out of your rectum.

As far as I can tell, the real issue has always been the religious right's misguided insistence we preach nothing but abstinence in our schools, denying kids an opportunity to learn information they will badly need, sooner or later. When we fail to provide good information, they fill the vacuum with nonsense and old wives tails they learn from their friends, from advertising, from television, you name it. As much as the prudes pretend otherwise, sex is one of the most powerful driving forces in life.

Universal abstinence is a pipe dream for young adults. Preaching only abstinence leads them to make ignorant, often tragic decisions about love and sex. Let parents handle preaching; let schools provide vital information about one of the most important aspects of human existence.
Teachers are handing out condoms?


Do I have a link? I don't need a link. Look around. You have the teachers handing out condoms to kids saying go sleep around and be like Ms. Spears. You have schools having plays which include "The Vagina Monologues". Some parents encouraging sexual behavior. You have the public school teacher who cannot teach your fourth grader how to read is also qualified to teach your fourth grader about sex.

I mean maybe I'm wrong. I just always thought I didn't want my 14 year old daughter to have condoms tossed in her face by some teacher. Kids are having sex younger and younger now a days and promoting it doesn't help.

Officerdown
03-21-2004, 01:51 PM
ahhh, yes.

Moonbeam
03-21-2004, 02:27 PM
I mean maybe I'm wrong.
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Well, I never!

Spencer278
03-21-2004, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by: Officerdown

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Officerdown
This is getting ridiculous. We have this sexshop stuff and than the Liberals handing out sex stuff and saying, go out and have sex, go be like Britney spears. The parental thing to do it tell kids not to have sex. But because of this it makes me a judgmental prude.
Do you have a link to these "Liberals" saying "go out and have sex"? Just wondering, because I think you're talking out of your rectum.

As far as I can tell, the real issue has always been the religious right's misguided insistence we preach nothing but abstinence in our schools, denying kids an opportunity to learn information they will badly need, sooner or later. When we fail to provide good information, they fill the vacuum with nonsense and old wives tails they learn from their friends, from advertising, from television, you name it. As much as the prudes pretend otherwise, sex is one of the most powerful driving forces in life.

Universal abstinence is a pipe dream for young adults. Preaching only abstinence leads them to make ignorant, often tragic decisions about love and sex. Let parents handle preaching; let schools provide vital information about one of the most important aspects of human existence.



Do I have a link? I don't need a link. Look around. You have the teachers handing out condoms to kids saying go sleep around and be like Ms. Spears. You have schools having plays which include "The Vagina Monologues". Some parents encouraging sexual behavior. You have the public school teacher who cannot teach your fourth grader how to read is also qualified to teach your fourth grader about sex.

I mean maybe I'm wrong. I just always thought I didn't want my 14 year old daughter to have condoms tossed in her face by some teacher. Kids are having sex younger and younger now a days and promoting it doesn't help.

Do you want your 14 year old daughter to use a condom when she has sex or would you prefer she didn't?

Moonbeam
03-21-2004, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Officerdown

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Officerdown
This is getting ridiculous. We have this sexshop stuff and than the Liberals handing out sex stuff and saying, go out and have sex, go be like Britney spears. The parental thing to do it tell kids not to have sex. But because of this it makes me a judgmental prude.
Do you have a link to these "Liberals" saying "go out and have sex"? Just wondering, because I think you're talking out of your rectum.

As far as I can tell, the real issue has always been the religious right's misguided insistence we preach nothing but abstinence in our schools, denying kids an opportunity to learn information they will badly need, sooner or later. When we fail to provide good information, they fill the vacuum with nonsense and old wives tails they learn from their friends, from advertising, from television, you name it. As much as the prudes pretend otherwise, sex is one of the most powerful driving forces in life.

Universal abstinence is a pipe dream for young adults. Preaching only abstinence leads them to make ignorant, often tragic decisions about love and sex. Let parents handle preaching; let schools provide vital information about one of the most important aspects of human existence.



Do I have a link? I don't need a link. Look around. You have the teachers handing out condoms to kids saying go sleep around and be like Ms. Spears. You have schools having plays which include "The Vagina Monologues". Some parents encouraging sexual behavior. You have the public school teacher who cannot teach your fourth grader how to read is also qualified to teach your fourth grader about sex.

I mean maybe I'm wrong. I just always thought I didn't want my 14 year old daughter to have condoms tossed in her face by some teacher. Kids are having sex younger and younger now a days and promoting it doesn't help.

Do you want your 14 year old daughter to use a condom when she has sex or would you prefer she didn't?

Wow, if I had a 14 year old daughter who could use a condom I'd call her Son.

Officerdown
03-21-2004, 03:09 PM
My 14 year old daughter won't be having sex at that age. If... she ever did, the guy... he would be spending a long time in lock up. CSC 3 is never a good idea to have on file.

Moonbeam
03-21-2004, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by: Officerdown
My 14 year old daughter won't be having sex at that age. If... she ever did, the guy... he would be spending a long time in lock up. CSC 3 is never a good idea to have on file.

Yup, you are the first person she will tell.

Officerdown
03-21-2004, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Officerdown
My 14 year old daughter won't be having sex at that age. If... she ever did, the guy... he would be spending a long time in lock up. CSC 3 is never a good idea to have on file.

Yup, you are the first person she will tell.

She wouldn't have to tell.

Moonbeam
03-21-2004, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by: Officerdown

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Officerdown
My 14 year old daughter won't be having sex at that age. If... she ever did, the guy... he would be spending a long time in lock up. CSC 3 is never a good idea to have on file.

Yup, you are the first person she will tell.

She wouldn't have to tell.
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT! You read minds.

Spencer278
03-21-2004, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by: Officerdown
My 14 year old daughter won't be having sex at that age. If... she ever did, the guy... he would be spending a long time in lock up. CSC 3 is never a good idea to have on file.

But would you want the guy to use a condom that was thrown in his face by a teacher?

Officerdown
03-21-2004, 03:28 PM
No, I wouldn?t. I'd rather have her not be prompted by the public school and go buy one herself. I just deem that the same public school teacher that cannot teach some kids how to read shouldn't teach kids about sex.

Moonbeam, I don't read minds.

Bowfinger
03-21-2004, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by: Officerdown

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Officerdown
This is getting ridiculous. We have this sexshop stuff and than the Liberals handing out sex stuff and saying, go out and have sex, go be like Britney spears. The parental thing to do it tell kids not to have sex. But because of this it makes me a judgmental prude.
Do you have a link to these "Liberals" saying "go out and have sex"? Just wondering, because I think you're talking out of your rectum.

As far as I can tell, the real issue has always been the religious right's misguided insistence we preach nothing but abstinence in our schools, denying kids an opportunity to learn information they will badly need, sooner or later. When we fail to provide good information, they fill the vacuum with nonsense and old wives tails they learn from their friends, from advertising, from television, you name it. As much as the prudes pretend otherwise, sex is one of the most powerful driving forces in life.

Universal abstinence is a pipe dream for young adults. Preaching only abstinence leads them to make ignorant, often tragic decisions about love and sex. Let parents handle preaching; let schools provide vital information about one of the most important aspects of human existence.
Do I have a link? I don't need a link. Look around. You have the teachers handing out condoms to kids saying go sleep around and be like Ms. Spears. You have schools having plays which include "The Vagina Monologues". Some parents encouraging sexual behavior. You have the public school teacher who cannot teach your fourth grader how to read is also qualified to teach your fourth grader about sex.

I mean maybe I'm wrong. I just always thought I didn't want my 14 year old daughter to have condoms tossed in her face by some teacher. Kids are having sex younger and younger now a days and promoting it doesn't help.
That's what I thought. This is typical, sky is falling BS from self-righteous puritans who delude themselves that kids won't think about sex if only we pretend it doesn't exist. Wake up and smell the musk. Kids will start thinking about sex whether they are kept ignorant or well informed. A great many of those kids will engage in sexual acts at some point, whether you preach only abstinence or give them the information they need to make intelligent choices. The only thing you accomplish by preaching only abstinence is guarantee those kids will get misinformation from other sources, misinformation that will lead them to make bad decisions. The solution is more education, not more ignorance.

The "Liberals" -- and many of them aren't -- are NOT telling kids to go out and have sex. They're trying to inform them about pregnancy and STDs and options and consequences. They are trying to give budding young adults the foundation of sex-related knowledge they will need as they move into adulthood. They are trying to replace ignorance and prejudice with factual information so these "kids" can make better decisions. They want to educate young people with critical information they need in the real world. That's what schools do. It's your job as a parent to provide the moral framework for that information. Having educated children makes your job easier.

Teaching teenagers about condoms doesn't encourage them to have sex. It encourages those who are going to have sex anyway to do it more safely.

konichiwa
03-21-2004, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by: Officerdown
No, I wouldn?t. I'd rather have her not be prompted by the public school and go buy one herself. I just deem that the same public school teacher that cannot teach some kids how to read shouldn't teach kids about sex.

Moonbeam, I don't read minds.

So, given the choice between a pregnant 14 year old and one who's merely had safe sex, you'd choose the pregnant one? Interesting parenting choice. i/expressions/rolleye.gif

Officerdown
03-21-2004, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Officerdown
No, I wouldn?t. I'd rather have her not be prompted by the public school and go buy one herself. I just deem that the same public school teacher that cannot teach some kids how to read shouldn't teach kids about sex.

Moonbeam, I don't read minds.

So, given the choice between a pregnant 14 year old and one who's merely had safe sex, you'd choose the pregnant one? Interesting parenting choice. i/expressions/rolleye.gif

Hold on a minute there Konichiwa! Where on Earth did you read anywhere that I stated I would choose the pregnant one? You're showing your ignorance. C'mon.

AmdEmAll
03-21-2004, 04:14 PM
Why should the schools have anything to do with my childs sex life. It's up to the parents to teach their children at the right time about sex and offer protection if needed. Also let them know the concequences of getting caught when your under 16.

Romans828
03-21-2004, 04:16 PM
Our kids need ADULT supervison and moral guidance. The kids of today deserve adults who will enforce rules and set reasonable expectations. Yes teenagers have always seeked to "discover" their own sexuality, but it was not something that the adults "helped" them to do. Some of the people here and their "responses" make me absolutely sick.

They problably were abused KIDS themselves or something because they dont have a damn clue.

ANYONE WHO would encourage 14 year olds to have sex, assist them in having access to porn or ANYONE who would like to have sex with 14-16 year olds themselves (as an adult) is beneath scum, and needs to BE TAUGHT A LESSON.

Heaven help the scum who tries to "teach" my children their "open ideas"...........

Spencer278
03-21-2004, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
Why should the schools have anything to do with my childs sex life. It's up to the parents to teach their children at the right time about sex and offer protection if needed. Also let them know the concequences of getting caught when your under 16.


Yeah why should schools teach anything. The parents can just teach it themselves.

Officerdown
03-21-2004, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
Why should the schools have anything to do with my childs sex life. It's up to the parents to teach their children at the right time about sex and offer protection if needed. Also let them know the concequences of getting caught when your under 16.


Yeah why should schools teach anything. The parents can just teach it themselves.



Anything? I thought AmdEmAll was just talking about the deal with sex. Could you clarify for me, Spenc?

Moonbeam
03-21-2004, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by: Officerdown
No, I wouldn?t. I'd rather have her not be prompted by the public school and go buy one herself. I just deem that the same public school teacher that cannot teach some kids how to read shouldn't teach kids about sex.

Moonbeam, I don't read minds.

Yup, but you do hide your real meaning evasively just like you unconsiously will teach your daughter to do.

sandorski
03-21-2004, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If you want to fix America take back the national airwaves form corporations and have your tax dollars put on programming produced at the nations universities on health, science, and the arts. Get advertising via sex as a way to sell garbage 24 hours a day 365 days a year out of the faces of children from the moment they are born. You dream of getting rich instead of having your wife raped by a lunatic thirteen year old who has had some girl's ass in his face since day one, and so you will do nothing real about why our society is ever increasing its load of psycho-pathological behavior. Oh, but junk and compulsive buying and debt are what makes us rich. And sex sells.

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Yup, Porn is merely a small step from a Lifetime(short as it is) of Sexual Innuendo force fed during commercial breaks.

Officerdown
03-21-2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Officerdown
No, I wouldn?t. I'd rather have her not be prompted by the public school and go buy one herself. I just deem that the same public school teacher that cannot teach some kids how to read shouldn't teach kids about sex.

Moonbeam, I don't read minds.

Yup, but you do hide your real meaning evasively just like you unconsiously will teach your daughter to do.

Not really, but if you know me that well, what can I say?

Moonbeam
03-21-2004, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by: Officerdown

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Officerdown
No, I wouldn?t. I'd rather have her not be prompted by the public school and go buy one herself. I just deem that the same public school teacher that cannot teach some kids how to read shouldn't teach kids about sex.

Moonbeam, I don't read minds.

Yup, but you do hide your real meaning evasively just like you unconsciously will teach your daughter to do.

Not really, but if you know me that well, what can I say?

All I know is that you made some hypothetical threat to a hypothetical boy having sex with your perhaps hypothetical 14 year old daughter saying that he would have a criminal record to deal with and I pointed out that this daughter might not tell you that she was having sex to which you replied she wouldn't have to meaning God knows what and to which I therefore remarked that perhaps you could read her mind and to which you answered no you don't read minds instead of dealing with the obvious issue which was how you would know if she wasn't talking. I then pointed out that your hypothetical 14 year old daughter may in fact be a clever as you and avoid the issue of sex similarly such that, again, you would never know and to which you reply that if I know you that well what can you say.

You have a number of options. You can pretend that you can determine how well I know you and that affects the quality of your response. You could say how it is you will know your hypothetical 14 year old daughter is having sex. (I worry about how closely you intend to keep tabs.) Or you could do nothing or other things. I don't know you, but I recognize evasion. One can recognize evasion without attaching an emotional connotation to it presence so don't go off half cocked with defensiveness.

Officerdown
03-21-2004, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Officerdown

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Officerdown
No, I wouldn?t. I'd rather have her not be prompted by the public school and go buy one herself. I just deem that the same public school teacher that cannot teach some kids how to read shouldn't teach kids about sex.

Moonbeam, I don't read minds.

Yup, but you do hide your real meaning evasively just like you unconsciously will teach your daughter to do.

Not really, but if you know me that well, what can I say?

All I know is that you made some hypothetical threat to a hypothetical boy having sex with your perhaps hypothetical 14 year old daughter saying that he would have a criminal record to deal with and I pointed out that this daughter might not tell you that she was having sex to which you replied she wouldn't have to meaning God knows what and to which I therefore remarked that perhaps you could read her mind and to which you answered no you don't read minds instead of dealing with the obvious issue which was how you would know if she wasn't talking. I then pointed out that your hypothetical 14 year old daughter may in fact be a clever as you and avoid the issue of sex similarly such that, again, you would never know and to which you reply that if I know you that well what can you say.

You have a number of options. You can pretend that you can determine how well I know you and that affects the quality of your response. You could say how it is you will know your hypothetical 14 year old daughter is having sex. (I worry about how closely you intend to keep tabs.) Or you could do nothing or other things. I don't know you, but I recognize evasion. One can recognize evasion without attaching an emotional connotation to it presence so don't go off half cocked with defensiveness.

Right, and I did say that. I wasn't evading things; you just weren?t asking the right questions. There are ways of finding things out. This really isn't that big of a deal, and I?m surprised you wrote such a long response and you wrote "hypothetical" four times. The guy would have a criminal record. For the most part if you sleep with someone under the age of 16 you are breaking the law. You must have not understood what I was trying to say, I wasn't defensive at all. I was just wondering why you took the time to type all that when it shouldn't have even upset you to the point where you had to write that long of a response.

One more thing. I'm a little bit slow at times, which you probably figured out already, but could you speak something other than Arab. I think all the times you said, "hypothetical" messed me up. Sorry.

Dman877
03-21-2004, 08:19 PM
ROFL, why would any 16-yr-old bother paying for porn? But if they want to go to a sex shop, I say let em. At 16 they're probably doing worse things then their parents anyway.

Bowfinger
03-21-2004, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by: Romans828
Our kids need ADULT supervison and moral guidance. The kids of today deserve adults who will enforce rules and set reasonable expectations. Yes teenagers have always seeked to "discover" their own sexuality, but it was not something that the adults "helped" them to do. Some of the people here and their "responses" make me absolutely sick.

They problably were abused KIDS themselves or something because they dont have a damn clue.

ANYONE WHO would encourage 14 year olds to have sex, assist them in having access to porn or ANYONE who would like to have sex with 14-16 year olds themselves (as an adult) is beneath scum, and needs to BE TAUGHT A LESSON.

Heaven help the scum who tries to "teach" my children their "open ideas"...........
Sorry, I'm not clear. Are you ranting about the article, the unrelated discussion about sex education, or both?

BugsBunny1078
03-21-2004, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by: Romans828
Our kids need ADULT supervison and moral guidance. The kids of today deserve adults who will enforce rules and set reasonable expectations. Yes teenagers have always seeked to "discover" their own sexuality, but it was not something that the adults "helped" them to do. Some of the people here and their "responses" make me absolutely sick.

They problably were abused KIDS themselves or something because they dont have a damn clue.

ANYONE WHO would encourage 14 year olds to have sex, assist them in having access to porn or ANYONE who would like to have sex with 14-16 year olds themselves (as an adult) is beneath scum, and needs to BE TAUGHT A LESSON.

Heaven help the scum who tries to "teach" my children their "open ideas"...........
I certainly won't argue with you on your points but I'll interject that there are quite a few 16 year olds who get married at that age. And getting married well there is nothing wrong with that at all. I also feel that noone should be having sex outside of marriage at all.Personally I feel like society is getting to the point where they are in old age before they get married. The average couple that weds nowadays is too old to have kids even. I think these kids should be getting married younger (average of 21) rather than later (average of 32 like people do today). By 16 a female has been biologically an adult for a few years most likely. There is nothing wrong with her getting married and raising a family then rather than opting for the feminist, have a career, etc. that leads to a life of materialism and sin.I wish schools were pushing some of these kids into becoming healthy family people rather than telling them they have to have some big city career and lots of sex and buy lots of new shiny things.I don;t think schools really bring up the option to these kids. "hey when you're 18 you can get married and start a family), except to tell them that that is somehow throwing their life away.

Moonbeam
03-21-2004, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by: Officerdown

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Officerdown

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Officerdown
No, I wouldn?t. I'd rather have her not be prompted by the public school and go buy one herself. I just deem that the same public school teacher that cannot teach some kids how to read shouldn't teach kids about sex.

Moonbeam, I don't read minds.

Yup, but you do hide your real meaning evasively just like you unconsciously will teach your daughter to do.

Not really, but if you know me that well, what can I say?

All I know is that you made some hypothetical threat to a hypothetical boy having sex with your perhaps hypothetical 14 year old daughter saying that he would have a criminal record to deal with and I pointed out that this daughter might not tell you that she was having sex to which you replied she wouldn't have to meaning God knows what and to which I therefore remarked that perhaps you could read her mind and to which you answered no you don't read minds instead of dealing with the obvious issue which was how you would know if she wasn't talking. I then pointed out that your hypothetical 14 year old daughter may in fact be a clever as you and avoid the issue of sex similarly such that, again, you would never know and to which you reply that if I know you that well what can you say.

You have a number of options. You can pretend that you can determine how well I know you and that affects the quality of your response. You could say how it is you will know your hypothetical 14 year old daughter is having sex. (I worry about how closely you intend to keep tabs.) Or you could do nothing or other things. I don't know you, but I recognize evasion. One can recognize evasion without attaching an emotional connotation to it presence so don't go off half cocked with defensiveness.

Right, and I did say that. I wasn't evading things; you just weren?t asking the right questions. There are ways of finding things out. This really isn't that big of a deal, and I?m surprised you wrote such a long response and you wrote "hypothetical" four times. The guy would have a criminal record. For the most part if you sleep with someone under the age of 16 you are breaking the law. You must have not understood what I was trying to say, I wasn't defensive at all. I was just wondering why you took the time to type all that when it shouldn't have even upset you to the point where you had to write that long of a response.

One more thing. I'm a little bit slow at times, which you probably figured out already, but could you speak something other than Arab. I think all the times you said, "hypothetical" messed me up. Sorry.

I hadn't noticed you were slow and I understand very well about asking the right questions like what is is, and I also noticed that you now seem to be mind reading although earlier you said you couldn't, hypothetically, at least. I am no more upset than you are. You are quite calm cool and collected and yet you took all that time and concentration to right back to me even mentioning '"hypothetical" four times' and hypothetical twice. Also, when you want to argue a case with rigorous logic, which I hope you do, you will have to do better than say, "There are ways of finding things out" I know that very well. There are also lots of parents who know all about their kids right up to the day they find out one is going to be a Mom or Dad. There are ways of not finding out too. And I thought you were supposed to speak Arab when you speak to a Rube. Just kidding!

Zephyr106
03-22-2004, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Romans828
Our kids need ADULT supervison and moral guidance. The kids of today deserve adults who will enforce rules and set reasonable expectations. Yes teenagers have always seeked to "discover" their own sexuality, but it was not something that the adults "helped" them to do. Some of the people here and their "responses" make me absolutely sick.

They problably were abused KIDS themselves or something because they dont have a damn clue.

ANYONE WHO would encourage 14 year olds to have sex, assist them in having access to porn or ANYONE who would like to have sex with 14-16 year olds themselves (as an adult) is beneath scum, and needs to BE TAUGHT A LESSON.

Heaven help the scum who tries to "teach" my children their "open ideas"...........
Sorry, I'm not clear. Are you ranting about the article, the unrelated discussion about sex education, or both?

I think Romans828 is referring to how homosexuals are forcing all children to become gay, and whisking school children off to San Fran errr Oregon for gay marriages. And how half of Anandtech P&N are pedophiles because they can't recite the Nicine Creed.

Zephyr